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re: Russia Flexin”
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:18 pm to Speckhunter2012
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:18 pm to Speckhunter2012
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You don’t do Geography
Not so much I suppose and apologies for adding the word”region”. Here’s a snippet from article…
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Putin made the announcement at a virtual event attended by his top military officials, affirming on Wednesday that the frigate Gorshkov, newly christened into service and loaded with Tsirkon hypersonic missiles, would embark on a voyage through the Indian and Atlantic oceans, as well as the Mediterranean Sea.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 8:19 pm
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:21 pm to TigerCoon
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They don't work.
We better let Newsweek know to retract immediately. Or, maybe we should just not dismiss everything that comes from Russia and set ourselves up for disaster.
From Newsweek:
Gen. David Thompson, vice chief of space operations, sounded the alarm last month that the U.S. was "not as advanced" as the Russians, or the Chinese "in terms of hypersonic programs," Politico reported.
At Mach 9, the Tsirkon missile is at the low end of the hypersonic spectrum and has been launched several times since January 2020 from the Northern Fleet's Admiral Gorshkov. Moscow says it can hit targets at a range of up to 1,000 kilometers (660 miles).
"As an anti-ship missile, it might overwhelm the American Aegis Combat System,"
How could these missiles overwhelm anything if they don't work?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:23 pm to CoachDon
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:26 pm to CoachDon
If that ship fires on the US or her military - she won't make it back to Mother Russia.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:29 pm to Indefatigable
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Their missiles largely don’t work and can’t hit anything when they do.
Topped with a .8 to 2MT yield warhead, how close to target does one really need to get?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:48 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'd love to know what their real capacity is to forward deploy and operate that thing. We've had F22's on rotation for decades now. I doubt Russia could keep a single 57 airborne past 2 weeks.
F22s are plagued with down time, unavailability, pilots not getting enough training time, cost overruns etc.
GAO has ripped that program apart for years now. Not the best platform to put up against the SU-57 with regard to readiness.
Also, Russia doesn't have to 'forward deploy'. The plane has a much longer range than the F-22 and can stay based in Russia the entire time and go wherever it's needed. This bolsters its readiness.
You have to look at reality and the totality of circumstances when making these assessments. As I keep saying, it's a bad mistake to underestimate the Russian military. We have done this over and over in our history, and it never works out well for us.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:54 pm to POTUS2024
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From Newsweek: Gen. David Thompson, vice chief of space operations, sounded the alarm last month that the U.S. was "not as advanced" as the Russians, or the Chinese "in terms of hypersonic programs," Politico reported. At Mach 9, the Tsirkon missile is at the low end of the hypersonic spectrum and has been launched several times since January 2020 from the Northern Fleet's Admiral Gorshkov. Moscow says it can hit targets at a range of up to 1,000 kilometers (660 miles). "As an anti-ship missile, it might overwhelm the American Aegis Combat System,"
Hmmmm, I believe I hear the faint rattling of a tin can coming from the MIC.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:54 pm to POTUS2024
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it's a bad mistake to underestimate the Russian military.
Yeah, because they've shown how bad arse they are in Ukraine.
How many more civilians will Putin sacrifice?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:55 pm to CoachDon
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Thoughts?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:18 pm to CoachDon
They'll likely have to tow it back after it breaks down mid cruise.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:26 pm to CoachDon
Sinkable, that is the one word on Russia type designs.
Project 22350 frigate Admiral Gorshkov
Russian ship design is like a match box ready to be lite.
Project 22350 frigate Admiral Gorshkov
Russian ship design is like a match box ready to be lite.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:29 pm to CoachDon
Oh no!!!! This is super scary news!!!
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:48 pm to CoachDon
Are they going to fire up the tug boats and drag the Admiral Kuznetzov out to sea too, or is it currently sunk again?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:49 pm to CoachDon
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Thoughts?
Not an American issue.
He wants to get embroiled in this dumb shite? Enjoy!
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:52 pm to BayouBlitz
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Yeah, because they've shown how bad arse they are in Ukraine.
The larger war has been going on for nearly a decade, a year of escalation with little to show for it.
It's like superpowers don't learn their lessons and still think cold war rules apply.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:53 pm to POTUS2024
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Also, Russia doesn't have to 'forward deploy'. The plane has a much longer range than the F-22 and can stay based in Russia the entire time and go wherever it's needed. This bolsters its readiness.
It also can barely get off the runway, doesn’t have munitions when it does, and has the stealth characteristics of a block 1 Tomcat.
China’s stolen/generation-old replicas are at least capable until they fall apart. Russia’s are a joke.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:53 pm to Tantal
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Are they going to fire up the tug boats and drag the Admiral Kuznetzov out to sea too, or is it currently sunk again?
The amount of roiling black smoke from Kuznetzov’s stack rivals the Battle of Jutland.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:54 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Hmmmm, I believe I hear the faint rattling of a tin can coming from the MIC.
Definitely some of that happening. However, there isn't a single analyst that disputes these assessments, that I'm aware of, so it's probably using the truth to oil up the skids for those R&D dollars. The other part of that article that I didn't quote mentions how the US keeps hitting roadblocks in hypersonic missile development and that Russia used innovation and existing tech to work around these issues. We're lagging behind in this area.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:59 pm to POTUS2024
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We're lagging behind in this area.
Only if you believe that the extent of our hypersonic program is contained in public information. Russia releases a positive test as propaganda.
You only hear about developmental US weapons when they fail or lag behind their procurement schedule.
Eta: Except for the Zumwalt’s. We’ll just pretend like we didn’t build a cruiser which we’ll call a destroyer that looks like the pyramid of Giza with no main armament.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:12 pm to BayouBlitz
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Yeah, because they've shown how bad arse they are in Ukraine.
How many more civilians will Putin sacrifice?
They've beaten the Ukrainians soundly. And they've done it despite the world's worst tactics to open up that operation.
Not one analyst on the planet gave Ukraine a chance in this. We are seeing the result that everyone predicted.
If you care about the Ukrainian people, then you would stop cheerleading for them, and demand we stop sending money and materiel into theater. This will all end in 48hrs if we simply cut off the aid. Ukrainians can go back to a peaceful life, and so can the Russians.
As for the civilian sacrifice question, maybe he'll channel Madeleine Albright's spirit and ask her.
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