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re: Russia/China alliance is part of Bible prophecy
Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:56 pm to TNTigerman
Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:56 pm to TNTigerman
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That should answer your next question.
What is his next question?
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:57 pm to Revelator
Judging by the last 6 years what’s makes anyone think the United States are the good guys.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:58 pm to Revelator
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Revelator
You will now have a collection of people tell you it's a fairytale.
It's where we are. And it's also Biblical.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 1:58 pm to burke985
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Judging by the last 6 years what’s makes anyone think the United States are the good guys.
I don’t see many people trying to make that case
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:11 pm to Jjdoc
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You will now have a collection of people tell you it's a fairytale.
It's where we are. And it's also Biblical.
Isn't it a fairytale?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:13 pm to burke985
exactly. i kinda think magog is probably more christian than the usa. in revelations, in the chapter about the 2 witnesses, it describes jerusalem as sodom and egypt. there is plenty of unrighteousness to go around. the Lord will deal with it on his return.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:14 pm to TNTigerman
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ut the main three (Russia, Turkey, and Iran) certainly are now.
How is Turkey "certainly" now aligned with Russia???
They certainly are not at this stage a military alliance. Turkey wants what is good for Turkey economically hence their reluctance to engage in sanctions against Russia but its still a NATO ally and has been supporting Ukraine with drones and other weapons sales. Really Erdogan does not want Turkey to become an asset to Russian foreign policy any more than he wants the country to be viewed strictly as a NATO appendage on the alliance’s southeastern flank.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:16 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Isn't it a fairytale?
No. The Bible is not a fairytale.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:17 pm to ThuperThumpin
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How is Turkey "certainly" now aligned with Russia???
Exactly. I mean there has been some recent warming in relations between the two, and Turkey has actually tried to help facilitate a peace deal in Ukraine, but we're not too far removed from Turkey shooting down a Russian jet and a rogue Turkish policeman assassinating a Russian Ambassador to Turkey. Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:25 pm to Jjdoc
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The Bible is not a fairytale.
So you think this "prophecy" refers to Russia and China ganging up to fight Israel?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:26 pm to TNTigerman
quote:FFS. You are reaching.
the main three (Russia, Turkey, and Iran) certainly are (aligned) now.
Russian and Turkey have engaged in some basic dialog and a bit of trade. They are hardly allies.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:28 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So you think this "prophecy" refers to Russia and China ganging up to fight Israel?
I believe there will come a time when all of those nations will.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:28 pm to GumboPot
Not after the fig tree bloomed nor the second dayof grace
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:28 pm to Jjdoc
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I believe there will come a time when all of those nations will.
Yep
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:32 pm to Jjdoc
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No. The Bible is not a fairytale
Is the Bhagavad Gita a fairy tale? not a gotcha just curious your thoughts.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:33 pm to Jjdoc
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I believe there will come a time when all of those nations will.
Why, first of all? Second of all, you also believe that the Bible is referring to the modern-day nation state of Israel in this prophecy?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:39 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Why, first of all?
Because I believe the Bible.
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Second of all, you also believe that the Bible is referring to the modern-day nation state of Israel in this prophecy?
I do
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:54 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Second of all, you also believe that the Bible is referring to the modern-day nation state of Israel in this prophecy?
You keep repeating this line. Read the Bible and see the boundaries and geographical lands God promised Israel.
If you want to debate who those people are that make up later day Israel, that’s a different topic.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:34 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:I know the Bible pretty damned well, but I don't spend a lot of time on "end of days" prophecies.
Why, first of all? Second of all, you also believe that the Bible is referring to the modern-day nation state of Israel in this prophecy?
How do the adherents to this theory explain the fact that Ezekiel and his contemporaries were Judeans and that "Israel" was a completely DIFFERENT (and long-gone) COUNTRY, that had been wiped off the map by the neo-Assyrians 130 years before Ezekiel was ever born? Why did he write about "Israel," rather than Judea?
Hell, even during the subsequent Hasmonean period (Second Temple) (when the Jews regained some independence under the Seleucids), they continued to call their country "Judea" (well, "Yehuda") even after they regained the territory of the former Northern Kingdom (Israel). Basically, there existed no polity called Israel during the 2700 years between the conquest of the Northern Kingdom by the neo-Assyrians in 720 BCE and the Israeli Declaration of Independence in 1947. To this day, it is unclear how/why the name "Israel" was chosen. The US government was expecting "Judaea" until the day before the Declaration. LINK. Apparently, the drafters decided that Judaea was a bad idea, since Jews were still a distinct minority in the territory of the original Judea (around Jerusalem). The theory is that ben-Gurion liked it best and that no one else at the convention could come up with anything better.
Modern Judaism itself did not arise in the (former) Northern Kingdom of Israel, but rather in Judea (Yehuda).
For anyone interested, I found this fascinating paper about the lives of exiled Judeans living in Babylonia during the Exile period. It is several hours of reading, but it is easy to use the Table of Contents to find specific topics.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:38 pm to AggieHank86
Russian and Turkey have engaged in some basic dialog and a bit of trade. They are hardly allies.
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