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re: Russia Calling Up One Million Reservists Now. War Imminent.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:44 pm to Tigers2010a
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:44 pm to Tigers2010a
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NATO is already on their border in Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia. Ukraine could be the final straw.
Lithuania is not on Russia’s border, but fair point. The other 2 are. But as someone else pointed out - they aren’t a threat territorially. Russia would have them surrounded - even to the north (water), and Belarus to the south.
NATO can’t invade Russia through those 2. That’s where Ukraine comes in. Putin loses Ukraine, he loses a military path to Europe, and gives NATO direct access.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 9:46 pm
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:45 pm to Catchfalaya
Let’s see how far Putin can go before he goes one nation too far. I think we’ve seen this before.
Crimea = Rhineland
Ukraine = Austria
Baltic States = Czechoslovakia
Poland = Poland
Crimea = Rhineland
Ukraine = Austria
Baltic States = Czechoslovakia
Poland = Poland
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:46 pm to Catchfalaya
It isn't just Democrats. We have a lot of "not our problem" Libertarians that thankfully weren't around in the 1940s or the Kingdom of Germany and Imperial Japan would be raiding our nation for natural resources to help in their war with Soviet Russia.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:48 pm to Catchfalaya
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Ukraine is a bigger quagmire especially if the west starts rapidly arming the Ukrainian military.
Look at the map. Ukraine is the land conduit between Russia and Europe (NATO). On top of that, I think I read it’s the next biggest country behind Russia.
Its strategic for sure. Russia won’t let NATO have it.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:55 pm to BobBoucher
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Its strategic for sure. Russia won’t let NATO have it.
Look at it from Putins point of view:
1) Trump said during his term what everyone else already knew: NATO is the US military. Europe spends their money on social programs because the US is their protection. He tried to get them to step up, they just waited him out.
2) Joe Biden is weak, incompentant, and has a 33% approval level. Americans wouldn't trust him to lead a lemonade stand.
3) the American military has been weakenen due to social engineering and Covid vaccine mandates. Morale is low and resolve is non existent.
If Putin was ever going to bluff himself into getti g his agenda demands, now is EXACTLY the time. America is weak, Europe is soft, and Ukraine is corrupt enough to implode.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:55 pm to BobBoucher
Don’t forget about Russia’s oblast Kalingrad that borders Lithuania.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:56 pm to Catchfalaya
The real alarming thing about all of this is we don't know the vaxx status of those million reservists. Imagine a million unvaxxed Russians sending a wave of sniffles across Europe.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:57 pm to umrebel2009
Sadly, our military strategists have probably considered this as a weakness in the Russian plan.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:58 pm to Catchfalaya
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Don’t forget about Russia’s oblast Kalingrad that borders Lithuania.
Touché. But that’s kinda of their own doing, as opposed to NATO encroachment.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:01 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Putin was ever going to bluff himself into getti g his agenda demands, now is EXACTLY the time. America is weak,
His bluff was the initial build up that led to his demands through talks. We basically told him NATO will do what it wants.
This next step isn’t a bluff.
And your point that America is weak - while true - that is why he will move. If America was going to fold because it knew it was weak, it would have done so during the talks.
The problem is America doesn’t realize it’s weak. It’s negotiating as if it’s from a position of strength. That’s the bluff (unintended). Putin sees it.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:07 pm to BobBoucher
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And your point that America is weak
Let me clarify, the American military isn't weak. It's the best in the history of the world and its not close (meaning capability).
The leadership and the public support for military action are what is weak.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:11 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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Let me clarify, the American military isn't weak. It's the best in the history of the world and its not close (meaning capability).
The leadership and the public support for military action are what is weak.
We’re saying the same thing here.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:19 pm to rsbd
Can they come and topple our current government please?!
At this point I actually believe Putin more than the Marxist lying POS in power!
At this point I actually believe Putin more than the Marxist lying POS in power!
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:21 pm to andyv95
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At this point I actually believe Putin more than the Marxist lying POS in power!
Here's the conflict I have as an American.
Putin is unapologetically Orthodox Christian.
Our nation's leaders (Democrats) are openly hostile toward Christianity and its moral traditions.
I liked it when America had the moral high ground, instead of being a nation of abortions, LGBTQ, and secularism.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:30 pm to Catchfalaya
Russia is just waiving their dicks at Europe. They're not going to invade.
They went through a lot of shite to unlink their economy to the dollar and in doing so they have a lot tied up in Euros. Invading Ukraine would ruin that.
If I'm Putin and also an egomaniac, I go for the northern half of Kazakhstan while everyone is worried about Ukraine. A lot of people don't realize that Kazakhstan is an absolute gem. A lot of ethnic Russians there, too. They could probably work something out with China.
They went through a lot of shite to unlink their economy to the dollar and in doing so they have a lot tied up in Euros. Invading Ukraine would ruin that.
If I'm Putin and also an egomaniac, I go for the northern half of Kazakhstan while everyone is worried about Ukraine. A lot of people don't realize that Kazakhstan is an absolute gem. A lot of ethnic Russians there, too. They could probably work something out with China.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:30 pm to Dawgwithnoname
That’s the other scary thing. Putin sees how we have deviated as a society for everything you mentioned. He knows if he doesn’t push back now that could be knocking on his door soon.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:32 pm to Dawgwithnoname
I'd also like to add that the US gets blamed for every bad thing that happens after every intervention. The US should pull out of Europe completely and let the EU fend for itself. The EU shits all over us and then needs us to protect them even though they're huge and wealthy. It's completely fricked.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:36 pm to BigBobbyStorey
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Either way, no American boys should die for Ukrainian land/oil pipelines.
What about American girls who used to be boys?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:47 pm to Catchfalaya
Jimmy carter is still alive and will be able to personally hand off the trophy for “worst foreign diplomacy by a US President” to Joe Biden.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:55 pm to Catchfalaya
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Putin knows he is feckless, and does not carry a sack of nuts.
Putin knows over half this country and the vast majority of effective soldiers in it wouldn't support a Biden war campaign. Imagine him trying to institute a draft right now. It would be a disaster.
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