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Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:31 pm to riccoar
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Yet car manufacturers weren't making these changes willingly.
Did you know back under a Democratic President it was a requirement (mandatory) that foreign car manufacturers had to have an alternative fuels program in order to sell cars in the US?
They didn't have to offer them to sale, they just had to have the program. That is largely why BMW had its traveling Hydrogen car program.
I'm all for removing stupid vehicle requirements and taking away EV credits
I think we should have some emissions standards because it's a legit air quality issue, but not because of climate change.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:33 pm to hawgfaninc
All these numbers are staggering. I means billions in fraud and trillions in cuts.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:33 pm to Chrome
quote:
All these numbers are staggering
They're also made up
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:35 pm to hawgfaninc
Grok, is Powerbottom full of shite, as usual?
The “Green New Deal" legislation ideas influenced major climate-related laws under the Biden administration, such as:
- The **Inflation Reduction Act** (2022), which provided hundreds of billions in clean energy investments.
- The **Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act** (2021).
The “Green New Deal" legislation ideas influenced major climate-related laws under the Biden administration, such as:
- The **Inflation Reduction Act** (2022), which provided hundreds of billions in clean energy investments.
- The **Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act** (2021).
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:35 pm to LegendInMyMind
Not really. When it was introduced, this was very close to the number. This is money saved by not moving forward. Of course, this is over a number of years, but it’s not far off from initial projections. Outward-looking, some costs were projected to be upwards of 5.7 trillion on the high end numbers I remember seeing.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:35 pm to Powerman
The rollback of the Endangerment Finding is destined to be challenged and wind up at the USSC, which has already ruled on greenhouse gasses. Couple that with how the Trump admin arrived at rolling it back, and I don't think we see any real changes from the auto industry (or any other concerned industry) for a while.
I hope most of the regulations are rolled back, but I don't see the auto industry spending the money to convert everything again when this may or may not last. It could wind up a very costly yo-yo effect.
I hope most of the regulations are rolled back, but I don't see the auto industry spending the money to convert everything again when this may or may not last. It could wind up a very costly yo-yo effect.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:40 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:
Grok, is Powerbottom full of shite, as usual?
The “Green New Deal" legislation ideas influenced major climate-related laws under the Biden administration, such as:
- The **Inflation Reduction Act** (2022), which provided hundreds of billions in clean energy investments.
- The **Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act** (2021).
So the Green New Deal was never a law. And I cited the inflation reduction act
Where was I wrong?
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:42 pm to VOR
quote:Evidence please.
Those are completely phony numbers…
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:42 pm to 3down10
quote:
So that means we are going to reduce government spending and we should see 1.3 trillion less in the next budget bill right?
Right?
depends on the time span of the next budget bill and the time span of these projected savings
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:43 pm to RollTide4547
quote:
Evidence please.
I'd say the evidence might be in the court of the person that claimed the savings came from terminating a bill that was never passed
I provided some numbers on page 1
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:44 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:Please present your evidence of this.
This won't get much actual thought here, but it isn't a lie.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:45 pm to Powerman
quote:
That's pretty impressive since the Green New Deal (which I'm opposed to) never became a law in the first place
Oh yes it did.
It was all just hidden away in that other shite sandwich lie called the Inflation "Reduction" Act.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:47 pm to Powerman
quote:You say an awful lot. VOR claimed "Vought is an obsessed ghoul. Those are completely phony numbers…" It's VOR's burden to show the evidence that his statement about "phony numbers" is correct.
I'd say the evidence might be in the court of the person that claimed the savings came from terminating a bill that was never passed
I provided some numbers on page 1
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:48 pm to RohanGonzales
quote:
depends on the time span of the next budget bill and the time span of these projected savings
Spoiler Alert: The next bill will continue even more spending and debt. We double our debt about once every 10 years with no sign of it slowing down until the dollar is absolutely worthless.
In 10 years you'll be paying $20 a lb for ground beef.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:48 pm to RollTide4547
quote:
You say an awful lot. VOR claimed "Vought is an obsessed ghoul. Those are completely phony numbers…" It's VOR's burden to show the evidence that his statement about "phony numbers" is correct.
He probably won't return to the thread
But I proved his statement to be correct
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:49 pm to Powerman
quote:Bull Excrement. You couldn't prove water to be wet.
But I proved his statement to be correct
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:54 pm to RollTide4547
I laid out the numbers. They don't approach 1.3 trillion
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:56 pm to Powerman
quote:Didn't you also claim that tariffs were going to be our undoing?
I laid out the numbers.
quote:Which office do you work in to have all this inside information?
I laid out the numbers. They don't approach 1.3 trillion
This post was edited on 2/13/26 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:56 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
quote:
Oh yes it did.
It was all just hidden away in that other shite sandwich lie called the Inflation "Reduction" Act.
What was approved in the IRA was a very small fraction of what was being propose with the GND
You should do some research on the matter
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