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re: Rush Limbaugh pouts about potential black James Bond
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:21 am to goatmilker
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:21 am to goatmilker
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Funny but I never watched Bond BECAUSE he was white like you I quess.
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Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:22 am to Big Scrub TX
Does anyone remember seeing the 1966 movie Khartoum? Based on a real battle in the 19th century. The fight was against a bunch of Muslim jihadists led by a Sudanese commander. People in the Sudan are black. The Sudanese leader was played by Lawrence Olivier.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:23 am to BuckyBadger
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no. I said if they think he is the best actor. See,I didnf bring race into it. Lol
Boy, you have a thick skull.
When you or anyone else say Elba is the best actor to portray James Bond that is saying you think a black actor can play the role of an iconic fictional white man better than any white actor can including Phoenix.
It's racist to say or think that.
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No. I gave you a logical reason. Which is they think he is best. It doesn't matter to me. Only thing I have to do is provide a logical reason. Have done so.
But, you refuse to accept reality.
it's illogical to think a James Bond movie will be better if James Bond is turned into a black man by having him portrayed by a black actor.
That's reality but you can't accept it.
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Why?
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Because I have no interest in discussing specific actors. Why not Clive Owen. Why not stephen merchant.
First you make the racist statement that you agree with the producers a black actor would make the best James Bond then you refuse to explain why you think that?
Chickenshit!
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My only position is that I can give you a logical reason. If the producers think Elba is better than Phoenix that is a logical reason to cast Elba.
You call it a logical reason then you refuse to explain how having a black actor portray an iconic fictional white character is logical.
That's illogical.
When I name a great white actor who would make a better James Bond than Elba then you don't want to explain why Elba would be a better James Bond.
Cop out.
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I'm really not concerned about appearing that way to a racist.
I'm really not concerned when someone whose head is screwed on backwards calls me a racist.
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Your posts provide the evidence. If multiple people are telling you this then the problem is with you. That doesn't mean you are a racist, but at best your posts come across that way.
bullshite.
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But, we all know you are a racist. Stand proud!
More bullshite.
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I have no idea who would be better.
Since that is the case, you cannot possibly know that a black actor would be a better James Bond than a white actor or think it's a logical reason to have a black actor play James Bond simply because some producer thinks it's a good idea.
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James Brown is real.
So were the white people who Flemings based the character of James Bond on.
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Are you as perturbed that all the hobbits weren't played by little people?
Are you upset because the seven dwarfs haven't been played by seven giants yet?
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Continue on racist.
Continue on liar.
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:24 am to DawgfaninCa
Threads about racists shouldn't be allowed.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:24 am to TT9
Why not?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:27 am to DawgfaninCa
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portray an iconic fictional white character is logical
His being white is in no way integral to any part of the story...particularly not in the year 2015 (which is the distant future in the original incantation).
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:27 am to Big Scrub TX
I'll will rescind that last part.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 10:38 am to NC_Tigah
Right on, bro!
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:14 am to DawgfaninCa
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DawgfaninCa
Just to satisfy my curiosity, would you respond to what I said earlier. I await with bated breath.
But here's the thing that makes all of this uproar about a black actor ridiculous. The Bond movies are about a fictional character named Bond working for British intelligence in the 2000's. With modern day enemies, politics and technology. The Bond movies are not about an agent named Bond who existed during or shortly after WWII. They haven't been for quite awhile. The movies are about a current agent named Bond and designated 007 who embodies traditional traits of cool and bad arse. He can be black or white.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 12:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Fictional characters are "defined" by the studio's ability to profit in promoting them. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. FWIW, Roger Moore was probably as far from Ian Fleming's Bond as the guy you're addressing.
But certainly you are intelligent enough to distinguish between characters that are DEFINED by their race and those that are not...right?
But that worked out.
This may too.
OTOH it may be a bridge too far.
In the end, I'd suspect market risks would be determinative.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 12:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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Roger Moore was probably as far from Ian Fleming's Bond as the guy you're addressing.
But that worked out.
I could not stand Moore as 007 - Would rather have any other smooth talking intelligent badass regardless of color.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 12:33 pm to Zach
quote:Stepping off the reservation a bit, the broad outline is no different than Hitler being portrayed on screen as English speaking with a German accent, or Jesus being artfully presented in the fashion of Medieval or Renaissance tastes. It‘s about marketable depictions. So much so that on occasion, inaccurate depictions become accepted out of hand.
Does anyone remember seeing the 1966 movie Khartoum? Based on a real battle in the 19th century. The fight was against a bunch of Muslim jihadists led by a Sudanese commander. People in the Sudan are black. The Sudanese leader was played by Lawrence Olivier.
For example, would one chance depiction of Jesus as a 5’1" man with this face?
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Level of comfort often has more to do with the familiar than with accurate depiction. E.g., can you imagine the present day outcry if Khartoum could be more accurately recast, and a bloodthirsty black horde was depicted decapitating Chuck Heston?
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 1/1/15 at 12:42 pm to NC_Tigah
The difference in this thread is that the Sudanese jihadist was not recast as a white guy. They just put a lot of dark make up on Olivier.
A real racial recast would be something like depicting George Washington as a black guy at the battle of Trenton, played by Denzel Washington, because they had the same last name and were probably related.
A real racial recast would be something like depicting George Washington as a black guy at the battle of Trenton, played by Denzel Washington, because they had the same last name and were probably related.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 2:27 pm to Zach
Godammit. I'm going to keep posting this.
"But here's the thing that makes all of this uproar about a black actor ridiculous. The Bond movies are about a fictional character named Bond working for British intelligence in the 2000's. With modern day enemies, politics and technology. The Bond movies are not about an agent named Bond who existed during or shortly after WWII. They haven't been for quite awhile. The movies are about a current agent named Bond and designated 007 who embodies traditional traits of cool and bad arse. He can be black or white."
"But here's the thing that makes all of this uproar about a black actor ridiculous. The Bond movies are about a fictional character named Bond working for British intelligence in the 2000's. With modern day enemies, politics and technology. The Bond movies are not about an agent named Bond who existed during or shortly after WWII. They haven't been for quite awhile. The movies are about a current agent named Bond and designated 007 who embodies traditional traits of cool and bad arse. He can be black or white."
Posted on 1/1/15 at 3:24 pm to VOR
Can he be a woman? Can he be a gay man? Can he be a lesbian? Can he be a really bright dog?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 3:36 pm to Zach
I think it would be bold to cast Mel Gibson as Shaka Zulu and portray him as a Scotsman who migrated to southern Africa and won the hearts of the tribesmen in order to lead them against the British. He could have long hair and his face painted blue.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 4:42 pm to VOR
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Godammit. I'm going to keep posting this.
"But here's the thing that makes all of this uproar about a black actor ridiculous. The Bond movies are about a fictional character named Bond working for British intelligence in the 2000's. With modern day enemies, politics and technology. The Bond movies are not about an agent named Bond who existed during or shortly after WWII. They haven't been for quite awhile. The movies are about a current agent named Bond and designated 007 who embodies traditional traits of cool and bad arse. He can be black or white."
Then have Elba or some other black actor play James Bond IV. The storyline could be that the original white James Bond married a black woman and they had a black/white son who they named James Bond Jr. James Bond Jr. also marries a black woman and they have a son named James Bond III. James Bond III also marries a black woman and has a son named James Bond IV who Elba can portray. James Bond IV wants to follow in James Bond Sr.'s footsteps so he becomes a secret agent. Then because James Bond IV is the great-grandson of James Bond Sr. the number 007 is given to him to honor his great grandfather.
After that, when a new version of Snow White and the 7 dwarfs is made, they can dump Dopey because mentally handicapped people are offended by calling him Dopey and they can replace him with a black dwarf called Blacky.
Blacky could be played by either a black or white actor because Blacky is just a fictional character. However, if a white actor plays Blacky then he must wear makeup so he looks like a black dwarf.
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 1/1/15 at 4:49 pm to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 1/1/15 at 5:00 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Nope. You are thick.
When you or anyone else say Elba is the best actor to portray James Bond that is saying you think a black actor can play the role of an iconic fictional white man better than any white actor can including Phoenix.
The producers and directors are under no obligation to consider Bond a white guy. That is your construct.
Another fail.
quote:There is nothing logical about your statement. Better is a subjective term.
it's illogical to think a James Bond movie will be better if James Bond is turned into a black man by having him portrayed by a black actor.
Fail.
quote:Incomprehensible.
First you make the racist statement that you agree with the producers a black actor would make the best James Bond then you refuse to explain why you think that?
Fail.
quote:if the producers think he is the best it is then logical to hire him. That is logic.
You call it a logical reason then you refuse to explain how having a black actor portray an iconic fictional white character is logical.
Fail.
quote:Because it is asinine. Who determines what is great? I have no desire to debate Phoenix or any other actor. On this film or others.
When I name a great white actor who would make a better James Bond than Elba then you don't want to explain why Elba would be a better James Bond.
Yet, you still haven't answered if Lovitz would be better than Elba. Strange. Weird to demand yet not do the same.
Carry on racist. This is my last post to you.
Posted on 1/1/15 at 7:23 pm to BuckyBadger
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The producers and directors are under no obligation to consider Bond a white guy. That is your construct.
NSS.
However, because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.
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it's illogical to think a James Bond movie will be better if James Bond is turned into a black man by having him portrayed by a black actor.
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There is nothing logical about your statement. Better is a subjective term.
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if the producers think he is the best it is then logical to hire him. That is logic.
Saying Elba is the best actor to play James Bond is illogical. Best is a subjective term.
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Who determines what is great?
The people who nominated and gave Phoenix all the awards and honors that he got.
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Yet, you still haven't answered if Lovitz would be better than Elba. Strange. Weird to demand yet not do the same.
First you said better is a subjective term so you refused to discuss whether Phoenix would be a better James Bond than Elba but now you want to discuss whether Lovitz would make a better James Bond than Elba.
That's illogical.
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Carry on racist.
Carry on liar.
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This is my last post to you.
I'm certain that it isn't your last post to me since you are a liar.
This post was edited on 1/1/15 at 7:33 pm
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