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Rs rewriting health bill to limit tax credit eligibility
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:39 pm
I seem to remember Paul Ryan decrying the effects of welfare traps LINK
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Based on my conversations with multiple sources close to the effort, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) had indicated to congressional staff that the prior House framework could see at least 10 million, and potentially up to 20 million, individuals losing employer-sponsored health insurance. Further, CBO stated that that House framework, even after including a refundable tax credit for health insurance, would not cover many more people than repealing Obamacare outright.
By comparison, Obamacare led to about 7 million plan cancellation notices in the fall of 2013. While those cancellations caused a major political firestorm, the framework the House released prior to the recess could cause a loss of employer coverage of several times that number. What’s more, that framework as described looks for all intents and purposes like a legislative orphan appealing to no one—neither moderates nor conservatives—within the Republican party:
• A significant erosion of up to 10-20 million individuals with employer-provided health coverage;
• A new entitlement—the refundable tax credits—that by and large wouldn’t expand coverage, but instead cause individuals currently in employer plans to switch to the credits;
• More federal spending via the refundable tax credits;
• A tax increase—a cap on the current exclusion for employer-provided health coverage—to pay for the new spending on the credits; and
• An increase in the uninsured (compared to Obamacare) of at least 15 million—nearly as much as repealing the law outright.
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Moving to a means-tested credit would create the same disincentives to work—individuals taking fewer shifts, or working fewer hours, for fear of losing their subsidies—as Obamacare itself.
If House Republicans have turned on a dime, and re-embraced means-tested credits after criticizing them for several years, their plan will have at least some of the same work disincentives as Obamacare. Moreover, a means-tested credit also creates administrative complexities—reconciling payments made based on estimated income with actual income at the end of the year—that make it tougher to implement, as the Obamacare experience has demonstrated.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:44 pm to Iosh
What I find striking is that the Republicans sent bills to Obama's desk that even they did not believe should be implemented...as evidenced by the fact that they did not simply pass THOSE bills when Trump was elected.
Clowns.
Clowns.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:47 pm to Tigerdev
They were proving a point that no matter what they did Obama would not sign anything that the republicans offered up. Thus proving HIM to be the clown.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:49 pm to CoachChappy
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They were proving a point that no matter what they did Obama would not sign anything that the republicans offered up. Thus proving HIM to be the clown.
but apparently were so bad and ill-advised they (the GOP) will not pass them now that they have power.
You may want to think of a new argument.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:51 pm to boosiebadazz
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but apparently were so bad and ill-advised they (the GOP) will not pass them now that they have power. You may want to think of a new argument.
Or maybe they know that the current President wants a replacement plan and won't sign a straight real plan either.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:55 pm to boosiebadazz
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but apparently were so bad and ill-advised they (the GOP) will not pass them now that they have power.
If I didn't know anything else, I would assume they would craft a different, more in line with their ideal, proposal with a Republican president in place as compared to what they sent Obama.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:56 pm to CoachChappy
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They were proving a point that no matter what they did Obama would not sign anything that the republicans offered up. Thus proving HIM to be the clown.
No they weren't. The vast majority of those bills never even made it to his desk. They were killed in the Senate. Most of them were for new Republican House members to get a repeal vote on their record.
The clowns are the voters that thought those repeal efforts had any chance of succeeding.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:57 pm to CoachChappy
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They were proving a point that no matter what they did Obama would not sign anything that the republicans offered up. Thus proving HIM to be the clown.
So just wasting peoples time right? Example 17,561,423 why republicans should never be elected to office.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:59 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:Man, for a member of the armed services to make such a grossly hackish statement is stunning.
Example 17,561,423 why republicans should never be elected to office.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:59 pm to CoachChappy
If those bills should have been signed why didn't they send them to Trump as soon as they could? That is what I thought.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:02 pm to Iosh
Let's stop having a slapfight over last year's signaling and start talking about what a pile of hot garbage this bill is shaping up to be. If they're already limiting the tax credits just based on CBO scores then there seems to be little hope of this turning out to be anything more than a sort of health-specific EITC. I don't see where the new incentive to control costs is supposed to come from.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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for a member of the armed services to make such a grossly hackish statement is stunning.
Of the 3 LT GENs I know at the personal level all 3 are democrats.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:07 pm to Iosh
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start talking about what a pile of hot garbage this bill is shaping up to be
It was inevitable. One, they're rushing to get something, anything, drafted to fulfill a promise they've been making for 8 years now. Two, their primary goal is eliminating the tax increase for higher income filers that ACA introduced. And they're trying to do that while maintaining, or improving, current health insurance coverage across the board. The numbers just aren't going to work.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:07 pm to Lakeboy7
The military has been one of the most consistent republican voting blocks for more than a century, with some hiccups during the 30s and 40s.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:08 pm to Iosh
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What’s more, that framework as described looks for all intents and purposes like a legislative orphan appealing to no one—neither moderates nor conservatives—within the Republican party:
I think this is the kicker. This is a compromise on a compromise on a compromise and its lost all of its shape. No one is going to be excited about it.
I think its DOA. Its going to get strong pushback from a variety of places that getting to 50 senate votes will be impossible, house might be a struggle if the Freedom caucus flees.
Then they are back to the drawing board. Honestly I think republicans are fricked with the ACA. Its a shitty law but the alternatives are also shitty. Going into 2018 you are going to have somebody mad at you regardless of what you do, likely multiple constituencies.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:09 pm to Hawkeye95
I have a sneaking suspicion that the reason Trump isn't involving himself is that he wants the Rs to fail so he can swoop in and pitch single-payer.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:10 pm to Hawkeye95
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house might be a struggle if the Freedom caucus flees.
Haven't they already promised to fight any repeal that doesn't have a full repeal of the Medicaid expansion? Republican governors in states that expanded Medicaid don't want to see that happen.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:10 pm to CoachChappy
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They were proving a point that no matter what they did Obama would not sign anything
It's fairly evident no one in the democratic party, including obama, understood ACA. They could have sent him a copy of obamacare as a replacement and he wouldn't have known.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:13 pm to Iosh
If he does that the Poli Board will suddenly support single payer.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:17 pm to Iosh
Right now Healthcare costs are about 12% of our companies gross costs and steadily rising. We are a small company with less than 30 employees. We have tried to keep costs low for our employees. The company currently picks up about 95% of the premium tab. If Congress makes any drastic changes to tax credit we are going to have to make major changes. I have a wait and see approach but I feared that the R's would frick this up.
This language should never be included in a bill that is sponsored by Republicans.
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If House Republicans have turned on a dime, and re-embraced means-tested credits after criticizing them for several years, their plan will have at least some of the same work disincentives as Obamacare.
This language should never be included in a bill that is sponsored by Republicans.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 1:20 pm
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