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re: Rogan and Shapiro agree: get government out of marriage
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:31 pm to xiv
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:31 pm to xiv
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How about Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness? Get the government out of the business of protecting those, too?
You really don't understand how our government works do you?
We the people grant certain powers to the government and agree upon guaranteed protection of certain rights from the government. Marriage is not one of them.
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Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:34 pm to xiv
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getting government out of marriage violates the rights of the areligious
Incorrect.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:35 pm to xiv
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:36 pm to DRMPHD
quote:Think yourself through the process of getting the government out of the marriage business. At some point in the process, you’ll give up and just revert back to what we have now.
Why not?
quote:I’m interested in this free money if you want to make it interesting.
I wouldn't bet against government getting out of the marriage game.
quote:To not know the answer to this question is to not know what marriage is.
what legitimate role is there for the government in what is otherwise a private decision about how individuals choose to organize their lives?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:36 pm to xiv
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:37 pm to xiv
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the areligious have the same rights as you and I do.
Can you show me a link anywhere where I said areligious people don't have the same rights?
What religion do you practice?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:38 pm to DelU249
quote:But why?
That’s dumb. marriage is a contract that changes your legal status
Ben Shapiro is terrified of saying what he really thinks and joe Rogan is stoned.
Why does the government care if I am living with someone or I am not?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:38 pm to Nguyener
quote:It’s you. You said that since marriage is a fundamental and not constitutionally-granted right, the government should not be involved.
You really don't understand how our government works do you?
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit are also fundamental and not constitutional. Therefore, your argument is silly.
quote:You really don't understand how our government works do you?
We the people grant certain powers to the government and agree upon guaranteed protection of certain rights from the government. Marriage is not one of them.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:38 pm to xiv
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SCOTUS has ruled on this premise several times.
So?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:41 pm to xiv
so should the number of people who want to enter into a marriage be limited to 2? will the government be involved there?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:42 pm to mylsuhat
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:43 pm to xiv
Why don't you tell me what you think marriage is then that it is so godawful necessary that the government involve itself. You do realize that marriage existed for centuries without government involvement? I assure you that whether I have a religious marriage, a civil marriage, or I just sign a contract with my "spouse", the courts will enforce the contractual commitments the same way.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:44 pm to mylsuhat
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Why does the government care if I am living with someone or I am not?
They don't.Unless you live in a common law state. And common law marriage is insane to me. I am unaware of a law that forbids people from living together on the basis of race or sexual orientation.
But there's nothing wrong with two people entering into a private contract to legally share their lives and join their personhood and the government enforcing that contract.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:45 pm to xiv
Government recognition of marriage is not about conferring "rights" upon people. It's nothing but to assist the ease of functioning in civil society for necessary things such as successions, progeny, etc.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:45 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
quote:As far as this country goes, the number is whatever we say it is, and the number is to apply to all equally (IE, can’t have polygamy for whites but not for blacks, etc). As of now, we say it’s 2. Anyone who wants that changed has my best wishes.
so should the number of people who want to enter into a marriage be limited to 2? will the government be involved there?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:46 pm to xiv
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get government out of marriage
Saying this for years.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:46 pm to Nguyener
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:47 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Of course. I never hear people call for government ending its involvement in marriage and also talk about these issues, leading me to believe that they haven’t put serious thought into the topic.
Government recognition of marriage is not about conferring "rights" upon people. It's nothing but to assist the ease of functioning in civil society for necessary things such as successions, progeny, etc.
This is why I’m surprised that Shapiro thinks this way.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:48 pm to DelU249
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“Government out of marriages” is just a way to shield yourself from the autistic screeching and lynch mobs. Instead of just sacking up and saying gays shouldn’t get married because they’re sick perverts.
I don't have a problem with gays marrying.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 1:48 pm to DelU249
quote:I didn’t want to be the one to say it
Instead of just sacking up and saying gays shouldn’t get married because they’re sick perverts.
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