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re: Robert’s insist that tariffs are a tax on the American people, and a tax needs to come
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:14 am to RohanGonzales
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:14 am to RohanGonzales
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So you show up after the communist wins, did that put some wind in your sails?
What communist won???
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Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:15 am to NC_Tigah
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and the text says POTUS may investigate, regulate, or prohibit any transactions in foreign exchange.
No mention of tariffs.
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Tariffs are nothing if not regulation of transactions in foreign exchange.
That's where the tax issue comes up. The President can't interpret in a tax from existing legislation where it's not authorized. This is why the "tariffs are/aren't a tax" was discussed so heavily yesterday.
The Major Questions Doctrine is probably going to be the thing that kills this beyond dead, though, just FYI.
That's what killed the similar executive overreach with Biden's SL forgiveness scheme. The same fatal issue exists in both cases.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:15 am to lepdagod
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if this was Obama you would be using the exact same arguments you arguing against now
Or let's be more specific and referential
If this was Biden, who was using the same argument NC is using to forgive student loans unilaterally via the HEROES Act.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:16 am to Ingeniero
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Melt!
Never understood why people who live in this country actively want it to fail horribly. What a stupid response.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:17 am to Indefatigable
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Just pointing out that OP’s comparing that to executive tariffs is apples and oranges.
What about judicial branch taxes? How does that compare?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:17 am to 2 Jugs
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What about judicial branch taxes?
You'd have to give an example of this because I don't think this exists.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:18 am to IvoryBillMatt
It has to be wild that people take you less seriously here even than in real life.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:24 am to lepdagod
quote:Either you don't understand what you are responding to, or don't understand what the grant of unspecified authority means.
You being purposely obtuse…
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Justice Roberts declared there be a tax where none was mentioned just to uphold the ACA.
Now he is questioning whether a tariff is a tax.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:26 am to NC_Tigah
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Either you don't understand what you are responding to, or don't understand what the grant of unspecified authority means.
You're making the same argument (with the IEEPA) the Biden admin did with their student loan forgiveness scheme (via the HEROES Act), while trying to add statutory authority found in a non-relevant statute (various other tariff statutes the admin could have chosen but did not).
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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No mention of tariffs.
It’s like they don’t understand the word tariff is not included in the text… it’s specifically not there for a reason… the proof is that tariffs are specifically mentioned in other statutes
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:27 am to 2 Jugs
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Justice Roberts declared there be a tax where none was mentioned just to uphold the ACA.
That's not a "judicial tax".
The ACA was passed by Congress, not John Roberts.
Try again.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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The ACA was passed by Congress
Not as a tax. John Roberts declared it so.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Also, since it's page 8 (in a thread I didn't make, at that), we can spike a rhetorical football.
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Sauer: Tariffs are regulatory, not revenue-raising. Most effective if they lead to no imports and no revenue. [At war with Trump admin claims about revenue]
We have another "The ACA is not a tax" scenario coming
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:36 am
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:29 am to 2 Jugs
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Not as a tax.
Eh. It's not really Congress who ultimately decides on that. They just put the words on paper, which doesn't always guarantee they get to define the nature of those words.
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John Roberts declared it so.
Still a Congressional Act. So it's a Congressional tax.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:30 am to 2 Jugs
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Justice Roberts declared there be a tax where none
When did this happen
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:31 am to Arkaea79
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Never understood why people who live in this country actively want it to fail horribly. What a stupid response.
People have been telling you there are major issues with this tariff plan for a long arse time. We dont want it to fail, we want you people to come to your senses.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:31 am to NC_Tigah
You are arguing with a retard who seems to believe that he can bottle his own farts and sell them.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:31 am to lepdagod
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When did this happen
June of 2012
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
Everyone should do the oposite of what you "conservatives say"
You got us into 40tril in debt
You got us into 40tril in debt
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