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re: Rittenhouse day 9-Motions and jury instructions
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:12 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:12 pm to BayouBengal51
Are they trying to change his mind?
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:12 pm to rt3
quote:
this judge is such a "hands off, let the jury deal with it" type
He's been that way the entire time aside from so pre-trial stuff that didn't have any business being in the trial.
And I agree with him. The finder of fact should have all relevant information available to them with an error on the side of providing too much.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:12 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Even bald Rolex laid down.
Sad. Young man in just 18. Will have to live with wrongful convictions for who knows how long.
Sad. Young man in just 18. Will have to live with wrongful convictions for who knows how long.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:13 pm to KosmoCramer
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He's been that way the entire time aside from so pre-trial stuff that didn't have any business being in the trial.
And I agree with him. The finder of fact should have all relevant information available to them with an error on the side of providing too much.
Relevant information has to have some type of basis in evidence, this is just being made up.
Nobody is really testifying as to anything, this is all made up.
The defense is failing to properly object.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:14 pm to Ace Midnight
The judge just screwed the defense.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:15 pm to Sherman Klump
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Correct me I am wrong - who cares. The juror will be instructed of the provocation charge.
They will be asked to determine if they video shows beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Rittenhouse pointed his gun at Mr. Ziminski and that provoked Mr. Rosenbaum to charge at Mr. Rittenhouse.
In my opinion, there is no way that any reasonable person could even come close to concluding that.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:15 pm to jatilen
Video shows a crowd...
Fat Boy: "There was no crowd."
Fat Boy: "There was no crowd."
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:15 pm to hogcard1964
The jury still needs to see the motion, right?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:15 pm to KosmoCramer
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They will be asked to determine if they video shows beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Rittenhouse pointed his gun at Mr. Ziminski and that provoked Mr. Rosenbaum to charge at Mr. Rittenhouse.
In my opinion, there is no way that any reasonable person could even come close to concluding that.
There is no testimony as to that. (the prosecutor is saying that, at least my take)
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:16 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
This is amazingly shite defense of this.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:16 pm to hogcard1964
Kyle needs one hold out in order to live to fight another day.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:16 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Judge: "So, I talk tough, but whatever the State wants the jury to hear, they will hear."
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:17 pm to Oates Mustache
Have they done closing arguments?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:17 pm to Ace Midnight
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Judge: "So, I talk tough, but whatever the State wants the jury to hear, they will hear."
The defense is giving him outs though, no or limited objections.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:17 pm to BOSCEAUX
No. No closings yet
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:17 pm to hogcard1964
The judge didn’t screw the defense. The judge isn’t the finder of fact. The jury is.
There’s not a juror with any reasonableness that will buy the state’s argument that Kyle provoked the attack from someone who twice stated before that he was going to kill Kyle.
Also, this is just jury instructions. Defense still has directed verdict motion to go.
Plus, closing arguments.
If the state’s case wasn’t strong (and it wasn’t by a LONG shot), it’s not going to suddenly become strong on the sole basis that the state gets to argue in closing what they’ve been arguing the entire trial and that hasn’t convinced anyone.
There’s not a juror with any reasonableness that will buy the state’s argument that Kyle provoked the attack from someone who twice stated before that he was going to kill Kyle.
Also, this is just jury instructions. Defense still has directed verdict motion to go.
Plus, closing arguments.
If the state’s case wasn’t strong (and it wasn’t by a LONG shot), it’s not going to suddenly become strong on the sole basis that the state gets to argue in closing what they’ve been arguing the entire trial and that hasn’t convinced anyone.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:18 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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There is no testimony as to that. (the prosecutor is saying that, at least my take)
The prosecution will argue that in closing. It's their entire case. Which shows you how laughable this trial is that their entire case hinges on that video.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:19 pm to Dawgirl
Then the defense needs to hammer home the verbal threats made to Kyle and that the potato pic shows nothing.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:19 pm to Chancellor
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The judge isn’t the finder of fact. The jury is.
True, but there is no contested facts, meaning these things were not part of testimony at trial.
They are coming up with theories after the fact.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:19 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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The defense is giving him outs though, no or limited objections.
Why do people keep saying this?
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