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re: Right To Work at the Chattanooga VW Plant

Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:01 am to
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
5124 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:01 am to
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They did not want the cancer that is the UAW any more than any other automaker does.


Then why did VW campaign for the workers joining the UAW?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:01 am to
The workers voted against organization.

The UAW, like Hillary, has trouble accepting the results of the vote. For an organization claiming to represent the workers, they seem to not give a shite about what the workers at VW's plant want.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:02 am to
I have worked plenty of jobs growing up, I can't think of one where at least someone didn't describe it exactly like this article.

There will always be people that hate their job and want things to be easier and especially higher paying

I have no idea how accurate this article is, just saying because someone feels that way doesn't necessarily make it so
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 11:06 am
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:05 am to
The Russians must have hacked the vote to organize the VW plant too.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46811 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:06 am to
That's good. I'm glad they don't want to unionize because it could save their jobs in the long-run.

Union bosses do more to enrich themselves than they do to improve the jobs of the union members.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:13 am to
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Another central component is the “team model.” Plant workers are grouped into teams of six and expected to work with management to continually find new ways to increase their team’s productivity. The “team” aspect encourages peer pressure.


This is bad?
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8641 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:56 am to
Virtually everything described in the article is some variation of Toyota's lean operations management developed in the 1970's and 1980's. All of the modern auto plants - including the unionized ones - have implemented a good chunk, if not all, of these things. They are adapting rather than dying.

Oh, the horrors of facing peer pressure and high demands at your job.

shite article is shite.
Posted by Chazzy McRamzee
Member since Jun 2014
2681 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:04 pm to
These people should try to get on at McDonald's I hear they're paying up to $15 an hour in some places.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:13 pm to
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Unionization can and does often times become terroristic in practice. They essentially bully the owners of the company (who own the jobs) into doing whatever the union wants or face potentially catastrophic impact to business, depending on the size of the company and their ability to recover from a strike.


Although 100 years ago, the police, working on behalf of the bosses terrorized the workers.

The Haymarket Square Riot

At Haymarket Square in Chicago, Illinois, a bomb is thrown at a squad of policemen attempting to break up a labor rally. The police responded with wild gunfire, killing several people in the crowd and injuring dozens more.

The demonstration, which drew some 1,500 Chicago workers, was organized by German-born labor radicals in protest of the killing of a striker by the Chicago police the day before. Midway into the rally, which had thinned out because of rain, a force of nearly 200 policemen arrived to disperse the workers. As the police advanced toward the 300 remaining protesters, an individual who was never positively identified threw a bomb at them. After the explosion and subsequent police gunfire, more than a dozen people lay dead or dying, and close to 100 were injured.

The Haymarket Square Riot set off a national wave of xenophobia, as hundreds of foreign-born radicals and labor leaders were rounded up in Chicago and elsewhere. A grand jury eventually indicted 31 suspected labor radicals in connection with the bombing, and eight men were convicted in a sensational and controversial trial. Judge Joseph E. Gary imposed the death sentence on seven of the men, and the eighth was sentenced to 15 years in prison. On November 11, 1887, Samuel Fielden, Adolph Fischer, August Spies, and Albert Parson were executed.

Of the three others sentenced to death, one committed suicide on the eve of his execution and the other two had their death sentences commuted to life imprisonment by Illinois Governor Richard J. Oglesby. Governor Oglesby was reacting to widespread public questioning of their guilt, which later led his successor, Governor John P. Altgeld, to pardon fully the three activists still living in 1893."

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Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46811 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:30 pm to
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Although 100 years ago, the police, working on behalf of the bosses terrorized the workers.
Seems like a problem with the justice system, which has its own flaws. Doesn't change how unions work, though.
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
5235 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:44 pm to
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Union bosses do more to enrich themselves than they do to improve the jobs of the union members.


Yep...and how do they do this? They constantly tell their members how bad they would have it if it wasn't for them making management cower to their constant demands. Union bosses depend on disgruntled members to keep their scam working. Hell, I've sat on both sides of the bargaining table and it's how the game is played.
Posted by Kafkas father
Member since Aug 2016
1124 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:50 pm to
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“It was a big reason why I quit,” said Lauren Feinauer. “I spent three years being tired. Never feeling rested. I was having mental health issues, gaining weight, having digestive problems.” Workers described having to take sleep aids routinely, and never feeling like their bodies could adequately heal from the stress.


Sounds to me like the fat bitch just wasn't cut out for the job. frick a Union.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:04 pm to
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Sounds to me like the fat bitch just wasn't cut out for the job. frick a Union.


Besides, a union might attract minorities.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46811 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:09 pm to
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Besides, a union might attract minorities.
You seem like a terrible person and I feel bad for you.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 4:32 pm to
You're hopeless.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 4:49 pm to
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And Volkswagen as a global company can decided to transfer the manufacture of those cars to a plant somewhere else if they do.

I believe every single VW plant outside of the US is unionized.
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 4:54 pm to
Not trying to be a smartass, Whisky, but would you expect from a German owned company? They didn't start two world wars because they are all warm and fuzzy.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 4:56 pm to
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There is no 'union' in the culture of Tennessee. They voted against their own best interests.


Not against mine. :shrug:
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 4:58 pm to
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Oh, the horrors of facing peer pressure and high demands at your job.

shite article is shite.


Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44190 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 5:07 pm to
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It's just work. If you can't do it somebody else can.


Kind of. The reality is, temp workers can make mistakes (due to ignorance or lack of experience) that can be costly. I guess you should look at it this way, if you have a brain tumor, do you want your neurologist replaced by a temp worker. Hell, I will work for half what they do, but results could be dicey...literally. The hospital, of course, would need to cover my liability and their only recourse would be to fire me. Temp workers are great in the short term, usually under guidance. I wonder if this format put in place by VW is in reference to their massive losses. Then again, based on the way they handled the emissions scenario, they just may have a pretty "aggressive" business plan.
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