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re: RFKjr Announces Plans for Pharma TV Commercial Ban
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:56 am to Willie Stroker
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:56 am to Willie Stroker
quote:It's not legal for tobacco, so there's a basis to start from where health is concerned.
Anybody know the plan? How does it withstand Big Pharma’s inevitable 1st Amendment violation claims?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:57 am to AggieHank86
its amazing how effortlessly leftists shape-shift from uncompromising civil libertarians to jackboot authoritarians when it comes to free speech.
Dont worry. Daddy Pharma still gets to market to the trained physicians whose job it is to prescribe these highly regulated drugs to common folk. As it should be, and as it is virtually everywhere else in the world.
Dont worry. Daddy Pharma still gets to market to the trained physicians whose job it is to prescribe these highly regulated drugs to common folk. As it should be, and as it is virtually everywhere else in the world.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Still wondering what the answer to my questions are.
For some reason SFP and Aggie won't answer. Not a gotcha as I posted before, but odd that free speech is indeed regulated in some instances.
Why and how is that so?
For some reason SFP and Aggie won't answer. Not a gotcha as I posted before, but odd that free speech is indeed regulated in some instances.
Why and how is that so?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:58 am to Vacherie Saint
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As it should be, and as it is virtually everywhere else in the world.
Now do gun control.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:00 am to goatmilker
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We can buy those things
It's just PR payments from big pharma to big media. Nothing more.
Without the ads they will just have to find another way to pay them off.
It's overdue.
We can't buy Excedrin?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:02 am to ATrillionaire
Don't play dumb. The prescription ads.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:02 am to VoxDawg
Good. Stop leveraging the media from an income source that encourages falsehoods in reporting the efficacy of drugs especially the Covid “vaccination.”
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
I will feel great if one mega corp can't pay off the msm for favorable coverage or really noncoverage.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:06 am to deathvalleytiger10
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Still wondering what the answer to my questions are.
Just missed it.
Commercial speech is lower on the rung than political speech, but there are tests. This is the 4-part test.
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Whether the commercial speech concerns a lawful activity and is not misleading
Whether the government interest asserted to justify the regulation is "substantial"
Whether the regulation "directly advances" that government interest
Whether the regulation is no more extensive than necessary to serve that interest
Also, the major tobacco law was prior to the Supreme Court recognizing commercial speech. I believe the big restrictions later were agreed-upon as part of the tobacco settlements.
Products associated with vices are more easily regulated due to the "government interest" aspect of the analysis. The worse a product can be described for society, the higher the government interest. This is where medication is going to face a lot of problems, because it's not a vice and it's much more difficult for the government to articulate their interest, let alone conform to the last prong limiting the extent of the need.
Just so we're all clear. Clarence Thomas thinks the distinction in levels of speech is bullshite and has advocated for a strict scrutiny standard for commercial speech, which I would be in favor of.
ETA
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Thomas has been a staunch defender of commercial speech, arguing that truthful commercial speech should not receive less protection than other forms of noncommercial speech, such as political speech.
In a concurring opinion in 44 Liquormart, Inc. v. Rhode Island (1996), Thomas wrote that the Court should abandon its ruling in Central Hudson Gas and Electric Corp. v. Public Service Commission (1980), which subjects restrictions on commercial speech only to intermediate scrutiny.
Thomas believed that bans on truthful commercial speech should be subject to the rigors of strict scrutiny. He wrote in an oft-quoted passage: “I do not see a philosophical or historical basis for asserting that ‘commercial’ speech is of ‘lower value’ than ‘noncommercial speech.’ Indeed, some historical materials suggest to the contrary.”
He reiterated his strong stand on commercial speech in his dissent in Glickman v. Wileman Brothers and Elliott, Inc. (1997) and in other opinions.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 11:09 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
sure. Guns, like Pharmaceuticals, are highly regulated. Also like pharmaceuticals, there is currently no federal ban on advertising.
And they could pass a federal ban on gun advertising tomorrow and you'd never know it because media companies have long held a shadow ban on all gun advertising. More of your "free speech" I guess.
But here is the good news. I can legally and safely assess any gun marketing, if it were to exist in a meaningful way, and make a personal determination about the gun purchase that best suits my needs without the prescription of a government licensed expert. That's a big difference that makes your whataboutism fricking stupid.
And they could pass a federal ban on gun advertising tomorrow and you'd never know it because media companies have long held a shadow ban on all gun advertising. More of your "free speech" I guess.
But here is the good news. I can legally and safely assess any gun marketing, if it were to exist in a meaningful way, and make a personal determination about the gun purchase that best suits my needs without the prescription of a government licensed expert. That's a big difference that makes your whataboutism fricking stupid.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:09 am to VoxDawg
Nascar fixing to eat as they move advertising to race cars.
And probably NIL too. Gotta move those ad dollars somewhere.
And probably NIL too. Gotta move those ad dollars somewhere.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:11 am to Vacherie Saint
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And they could pass a federal ban on gun advertising tomorrow and you'd never know it because media companies have long held a shadow ban on all gun advertising. More of your "free speech" I guess.
Where is the governmental action?
Private parties are free to act as they wish.
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But here is the good news. I can legally and safely assess any gun marketing, if it were to exist in a meaningful way, and make a personal determination about the gun purchase that best suits my needs without the prescription of a government licensed expert.
Go down this road of leftism and that may not be true.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:12 am to goatmilker
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Don't play dumb. The prescription ads.
Fair enough. Still, many prescription meds are elective, and consumer choice should be weighed just as much or more than doctor recommendation. While these ads can be icky, they are also informative.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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Private parties are free to act as they wish
Except they are not. For example, you are fat. If you wanted to inject yourself with Ozempic to lose weight, you are NOT free to purchase that heavily regulated medication without being carefully treated by a trained and government-licensed physician who agrees, under the hippocratic oath, that this specific drug is the safest and healthiest option for your condition.
So we can regulate the drug.... we can regulate access to the drug... we can regulate the physicians who administer the drug... we can regulate the insurers who pay for the drug, but regulating the marketing of said drug is a bridge too far for you? Even when its marketed to individuals who cant legally purchase it?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:21 am to AggieHank86
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quote: How did a commercial force you to buy drugs? quote: You know the answer to this question. You argue like a woman. Him: "What the heck did I do?" Her: "Oh, you know." Him: (baffled expression)
Stop playing stupid, Its a bad look.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:21 am to Vacherie Saint
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Except they are not. For example,
You digress to an example having nothing to do with your attempted point that I quoted
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but regulating the marketing of said drug is a bridge too far for you?
I mean I want less regulation upstream, but yeah. Now we're getting into fundamental right territory when earlier it was regulating economic activity.
Why do y'all keep trying to justify more regulation by citing other regulation? That's literal Leftist rhetoric
I'm with Clarence Thomas on this one.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 11:22 am
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:25 am to VoxDawg
I'm gonna miss all these mini-musicals where a bunch of overweight people show their dancing prowess. NOT!
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:26 am to FairhopeTider
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Uh…Hulu allows targeted ads so advertisers can pinpoint their precise audience.
I knew one of you were gonna say that, lol... wasn't my house, wasn't my tv, wasn't my hulu.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Thanks for the reply.
Now, you are back in HS debate.
What would be your argument in favor of RFK, Jr.'s ban?
Now, you are back in HS debate.
What would be your argument in favor of RFK, Jr.'s ban?
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