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re: Reuters: Ukrainian source called Moscow's demands 'non-starters'
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:35 pm to KiwiHead
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:35 pm to KiwiHead
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Well, you might be saving American dollars, but if Zelensky just capitulates like so many here wish he would. Ukrainian lives are not going to be saved. This was never meant to be a limited war such as Putin and his apologists on here would like to claim
This is so stupid, I feel dumb taking the time to pick it apart.
Fck, losing 9,000/people a month in a war will somehow be surpassed by Ukraine capitulating and not continuing to fight? Russia will just lock them down and starve them or kill them off via work gualgs and at "night executions"? Jesus Christ.
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Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:37 pm to KiwiHead
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Well, you might be saving American dollars, but if Zelensky just capitulates like so many here wish he would. Ukrainian lives are not going to be saved.
This is nonsensical.
If Zelensky agrees to a peace deal and peace does not occur, he’s in exactly the same position he is in now.
More importantly, Russia seems pretty ready to stop fighting from what I see. Obviously, they are keeping what they gained. And obviously, Crimea is theirs.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:47 pm to moneyg
Like I said, this board largely forgets the attempted taking of Kyiv back in 2022. That told me everything about their real intentions. Putin wanted it all. His commanders were largely incompetent to fulfill the objective.
Zelensky would also find himself in a worse position if American money and western armaments were cut off. You leave him short of money and a non credible security guarantee then Ukraine becomes Russia's punk.
Zelensky would also find himself in a worse position if American money and western armaments were cut off. You leave him short of money and a non credible security guarantee then Ukraine becomes Russia's punk.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:03 pm to PoppedRiser
You are so naive as to Russians and how they operate. We Americans think we know what Russians might do in Ukraine. However, Eastern Europeans and Ukrainians have a memory of what they did do. "Soviet" or Russian labels are a matter of semantics....it's Russians and the memory of the 1920's is just another chapter as far as they are concerned.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:03 pm to KiwiHead
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Like I said, this board largely forgets the attempted taking of Kyiv back in 2022. That told me everything about their real intentions. Putin wanted it all. His commanders were largely incompetent to fulfill the objective.
Zelensky would also find himself in a worse position if American money and western armaments were cut off. You leave him short of money and a non credible security guarantee then Ukraine becomes Russia's punk.
Dude, the high level politics is way above your paygrade. Putin's primary goal was to decapitate Zelensky regime. Him holding all of Ukraine was a fisco he didn't need. All they needed was Donbass, Azov Sea and landbridge to Crimea. If they got Kherson and Odessa it was a bonus.
Ukraine is inevitably someone's punk throughout their history. They're historically under someone's oversight or rule. It's just what it is, they don't have good leaders or good decision making.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:09 pm to KiwiHead
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However, Eastern Europeans and Ukrainians have a memory of what they did do. "Soviet" or Russian labels are a matter of semantics....it's Russians and the memory of the 1920's is just another chapter as far as they are concerned.
You're going to pretend Ukrainians weren't Soviets? The red scare included Ukrainians. Kruschev came from governing Ukrainian SSR and lived and worked there most of his life before moving up to the chief politburo of Moscow. He was born on the border Kursk region with Ukraine and spent most of his life in Ukraine.
Doubledeb fella dropped a whopper saying Ukrainians had no gulags, to which I posted him a map of gulagas which were bountiful in Ukraine as well. T
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:09 pm to John Barron
Tell Z we don’t think he can win so that’s that. Bye.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:13 pm to PoppedRiser
It turned out to be a fiasco because of military incompetence. When you attempt to take an opponents capital, you attempt to take the country. Putin thought Zelensky weak, but he turned out tougher than he anticipated. You do realize that we made tacit promises to Ukraine in 90's of security when they gave up their nukes. You are proof positive of it is dangerous to be America's enemy but downright deadly to be its friend.
You like bullies such as Putin, I see. Were you victimized by one as a kid? How big was she? How many years did she take your lunch money?
You like bullies such as Putin, I see. Were you victimized by one as a kid? How big was she? How many years did she take your lunch money?
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:20 pm to KiwiHead
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You like bullies such as Putin, I see. Were you victimized by one as a kid? How big was she? How many years did she take your lunch money?
That reads like projection. Nobody likes outright bullies, but people really don't like self-unaware trouble making nerds.
Analyzing this conflict, you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, speculating through some emotional lens. I'm going by fact, you're going by feels.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:25 pm to PoppedRiser
quote:WTF is a 'fisco'?
Him holding all of Ukraine was a fisco he didn't need.
If Putin didn't want Kiev, why did he send an entire armor group south towards Kiev from its launching point in Belarus? That group got its arse kicked and turned around and hauled arse back into Belarus.
That's how the war crimes against Ukrainian civilians were discovered in the territory that Russia temporarily occupied north of Kiev.
quote:The first capital of the "Land of the Rus" was Kiev.
Ukraine is inevitably someone's punk throughout their history. They're historically under someone's oversight or rule.
Saint Olga, who was queen of the King of Kiev, kicked the Drevlians (a tribe of eastern Slavs who eventually became known as Russians) out of Kiev after they killed her husband by boiling some of them alive in oil and by tricking the rest of them to enter a large wooden banquet hall she had built for the occasion, got them drunk so much that they passed out, then had the doors nailed shut and set fire to the structure thus burning them alive.
She did such a good job of cleansing Kiev of those early Russians that the Catholic Church made her a saint after her death. And she wasn't even Catholic until just a few days before she expired.
Your primitive and limited knowledge of Ukrainian and Russian history is
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Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:30 pm to KiwiHead
What does the fact that Khruschev was born in Kursk near Ukraine (Kalinovka, if memory serves) have anything to do with what the Russians did in the 20s to Ukraine or what Czarist forces routinely did in the centuries before.
So you were the guy who laid down as the big tough girl shook you down for lunch money .
So you were the guy who laid down as the big tough girl shook you down for lunch money .
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:32 pm to LSURussian
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The first capital of the "Land of the Rus" was Kiev.
Saint Olga, who was queen of the King of Kiev, kicked the Drevlians (a tribe of eastern Slavs who eventually became known as Russians) out of Kiev after they killed her husband by boiling some of them alive in oil and by tricking the rest of them to enter a large wooden banquet hall she had built for the occasion, got them drunk so much that they passed out, then had the doors nailed shut and set fire to the structure thus burning them alive.
She did such a good job of cleansing Kiev of those early Russians that the Catholic Church made her a saint after her death. And she wasn't even Catholic until just a few days before she expired.
Whatever you say, USAID ex-employee. Note how "Ukraine" was never even a thing. It's like it didn't even exist in any governance sense. Kiev Russia, but no Ukraine not even the name.
Jamie, pull up the historical map of Ukraine:
Btw, Crimaea was gifted to "Ukraine" by same Kruschev, a war monguering Ukrainan potatohead, who was integral in kickstarting the Cold War.
Let's go to 1800s when US was in its infancy and see how Ukraine looked back then. Yep, still no "Ukraine".
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:43 pm to LSURussian
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If Putin didn't want Kiev, why did he send an entire armor group south towards Kiev from its launching point in Belarus?
They never had any real intentions of capturing Kiev. You don't use 15k to 30k troops to accomplish that goal. It was clear they wanted to force Ukraine to defend the North to accomplish their main goals in the South.
"By October 2022, Western and Ukrainian officials downplayed the threat of a new Russian offensive from Belarus, noting that the 15,000- 30,000 troops deployed lacked the equipment and logistics for a major attack. The UK Ministry of Defence assessed these movements as an attempt to demonstrate solidarity and convince Ukraine to guard its northern border."
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:11 pm to PoppedRiser
quote:That map is indicative of many European countries before and after the Mongol invasion which occupied most of eastern Europe.
It's like it didn't even exist in any governance sense. Kiev Russia, but no Ukraine not even the name.
Jamie, pull up the historical map of Ukraine:
Ukraine became so restless and rebellious in the early 1930's that Stalin intentionally starved to death almost 4 million Ukrainians (not Russians but UKRAINIANS) by stealing their entire food crops and shipping the crops back to Russia. That genocide became known as the Holodomor.
The Ukrainians' treatment by Stalin became so brutal that they viewed the German invasion as a liberation. The Ukrainians had no love for Germans but it meant they got the Russian yoke off of their necks for a few years.
Then when WWII ended and the Germans were pushed back out of their country, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian partisans instituted guerrilla warfare against the once again savage Russian occupiers. The last remnants of that guerilla war, which continued mainly in western Ukraine, didn't end until 1953 a full 8 years after the end of WWII.
You go tell those Ukrainian families their country is not a country.
When I worked in Lviv, which is in western Ukraine near the Polish border, I learned firsthand how Ukrainians are NOT Russians.
My first day in Lviv when I started speaking Russian, they didn't like it. My assistant explained they refuse to speak Russian in that area. I apologized to the group for my ignorance and never spoke a Russian word again while I was working there.
Learn your European history or just STFU, alter.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:39 pm to LSURussian
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The Ukrainians had no love for Germans
Incorrect. They loved and built statues of the Nazis and celebrate them as Heroes. Why are you defending Nazis?
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:40 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:40 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:41 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:42 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/16/25 at 7:41 pm to John Barron
quote:So post a photo of those statues.
Incorrect. They loved and built statues of the Nazis and celebrate them as Heroes.
Surely your Russian handlers can provide you with photos.
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