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re: Report: Mifsud’s secret recording is the predicate for Durham criminal inquiry

Posted on 10/26/19 at 9:17 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/26/19 at 9:17 pm to
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government has not obtained admissible evidence that is likely to establish the scienter requirement beyond a reasonable doubt.
What does that make the accused .... in the eyes of the law? There is a word for it.
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In other words, they couldn't prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt.
In fact, they couldn't come within lightyears of that proof. But the legal result does not measure the stupidity of a prosecution's case. It simply determines guilt or . . . . what is that other word?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/26/19 at 9:25 pm to
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My post was quoting the Mueller Report about the evidence they found
Texridder's mother told me he is a three-time purple heart winner.

Mueller might take that statement as "evidence" of something. But a jury wouldn't, because it is total BS.
Posted by texridder
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/26/19 at 9:32 pm to
In my post about the Mueller Report, and why no Trumpers were charged, I commented that I seemed to have remembered where someone else was not prosecuted because of lack of intent?

What does that remind you of?

I seem to remember it was something about emails.

Posted by texridder
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Posted on 10/26/19 at 9:51 pm to
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My post was quoting the Mueller Report about the evidence they found
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Texridder's mother told me he is a three-time purple heart winner.

Mueller might take that statement as "evidence" of something. But a jury wouldn't, because it is total BS.

That post is past its prime.
Posted by texridder
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Posted on 10/26/19 at 11:56 pm to
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In other words, they couldn't prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt.


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In fact, they couldn't come within light years of that proof. But the legal result does not measure the stupidity of a prosecution's case. It simply determines guilt or . . . . what is that other word?

If you think that a failure to charge means anything other than that, then you are past your expiration date.
Posted by LakeCharles
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 1:58 am to
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They didn't exonerate Trump. They said they didn't have enough evidence. Sort of like what Comet said about The Hillary emails case.



What the frick. They had no evidence against Trump - EVER. They had all the evidence against clinton and decided not to prosecute, giving the lame excuse - "no intent" while she clearly had intent. Private email, private server, wiped the hard drive, top-secret email and files.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:53 am to
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government has not obtained admissible evidence that is likely to establish the scienter requirement beyond a reasonable doubt.


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In other words, they couldn't prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt.


um, i'm not talking about campaign finance violations, which that quote references.

Mueller Report page 195

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Even assuming that the promised “documents and information that would incriminate
Hillary” constitute a “thing of value” under campaign—?nance law, the government would
encounter other challenges in seeking to obtain and sustain a conviction. Most signi?cantly, the
government has not obtained admissible evidence that is likely to establish the scienter requirement
beyond a reasonable doubt
.



here is a much more applicable quote, about the subject i actually asked about:

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the investigation did not
establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian
government in its election interference activities.


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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:55 am to
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The first question makes no sense to me. It seems to suggest that Misfit was not a Western asset.

i didn't suggest that. the FBI, other western intelligence organizations working this op, and the Mueller Report suggested that Mifsud was working with Russia

if you believe that Mifsud was a Western asset, then explain how any of the theories linking Pap to Russia make sense
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 6:56 am to
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My post was quoting the Mueller Report about the evidence they found and why they didn't charge anyone from the Trump campaign.


*for campaign finance violations

which have nothing to do with this thread, nor do they have to do with the question i asked you
Posted by member12
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 7:47 am to
So the FISA warrant was based on complete bullshite, and they knew it.

Which makes the wiretapping/spying on the Trump campaign a massively corrupt and illegal endeavor.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 7:55 am to
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So the FISA warrant was based on complete bullshite, and they knew it.

it is possible the FISA warrant was based on an operation of multiple western nations supplying false information to get justification for the warrant

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Which makes the wiretapping/spying on the Trump campaign a massively corrupt and illegal endeavor.

oh yeah if there is any truth to my words above? biggest (exposed) American political scandal since the Ft. Sumpter/secession
Posted by texridder
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/27/19 at 1:42 pm to
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if you believe that Mifsud was a Western asset, then explain how any of the theories linking Pap to Russia make sense

I didn't say he was a Western asset. I said the way the question was worded, it looked like it was suggesting Mifsud was not a Western asset.

That's why it didn't make sense to me.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 10/27/19 at 9:31 pm to
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What the frick. They had no evidence against Trump - EVER. They had all the evidence against clinton and decided not to prosecute, giving the lame excuse - "no intent" while she clearly had intent. Private email, private server, wiped the hard drive, top-secret email and files.

An extremely superficial and biased comparison.

Why don't you try doing a little reading and thinking on your own so you don't sound like a parrot?
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 2:41 am to
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Why don't you try doing a little reading and thinking on your own so you don't sound like a parrot? 



Says the lying tool that quoted incorrect and misleading sections of the Mueller report - that had nothing to do with the matter at hand - in an attempt to manipulate the argument. You failed.

I don't think I've ever seen you look more desperate and squirmy in a thread, and that says a LOT.
Posted by gthog61
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 3:50 am to
You can spout all the bullshite you want.

This is coming out.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 6:55 am to
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I said the way the question was worded, it looked like it was suggesting Mifsud was not a Western asset.

because the Mueller Report (and i am betting the FISA applications) said he was associated with Russia

because that's the only way an op makes sense

if he is a Western asset, then it doesn't make sense until you get to CT land
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
465444 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 6:56 am to
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Why don't you try doing a little reading and thinking on your own so you don't sound like a parrot?

that's an ironic statement from a person who is misusing the "no intent" argument over MULTIPLE pages

the "no intent" of Trump you're referencing is about campaign finance violations, not coordination/collusion with Russia

the case against Trump re: collusion/coordination was dismissed for much more direct reasons

i already showed you this earlier in this thread and you ignored it
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:21 pm to
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government has not obtained admissible evidence that is likely to establish the scienter requirement beyond a reasonable doubt. In other words, they couldn't prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt.
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um, i'm not talking about campaign finance violations, which that quote references.

What in the hell are you talking about? The "quote" I posted was NOT even in response to a post you made.

I was responding a post by PHDogan. Here is PHDoogan's post I was responding to:
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But texshidder, you agree that the Weismann Report concluded that, after nearly two years, they could find no evidence of coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia?

My response, which you seized on the opportunity to jump on, was to PHDoogan's question involving evidence of coordination. It didn't have anything to you with a post you made.

Also, even putting aside that my answer wasn't to your post, where do you get off with your
"I'm not talking about campaign finance violations, which that quote references."

Is there some reason you arbitrarily excluded evidence of campaign finance violations?

NO. It's just a bullshite way to try say that my answer is excluded so you can try to pull a chickenshite gothca?? Because there is NO basis to exclude evidence of campaign finance law violations from the discussion of evidence considered based on the Report.

In the PROSECUTION AND DECLINATION DECISIONS section of the Report, it discusses the evidence regarding the June 2016 Trump Tower. On page 185, the Report says:
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The Office considered whether this evidence would establish a conspiracy to violate the foreign contributions ban, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;
.

There is no doubt that the investigation/Report evaluated the sufficiency of evidence it had concerning the Trump Tower meeting as part of its investigation of Trump's campaign's potential coordination with Russia.

Your post makes absolutely no sense.

Take your bullshite gotcha and stick it.



Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:36 pm to
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Just insult him. He’s not worthy of sincere argument, and he’s an alter of cwill.

Hey, dumbass, you're full of shite. That's what you get for listening to ShortyRob.

Everyone is an alter according to him. But he never explains why he thinks that.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:39 pm to
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Hey, dumbass, you're full of shite. That's what you get for listening to ShortyRob.


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