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Remember that Foxconn deal to bring manufacturing jobs to Wisconsin?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:15 pm
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Attack it because it's the New Yorker, but please also opine on the facts presented. If this is the cost to get manufacturing jobs back, are we sure we want to pay it?
No thanks. And I'm not sure if it is the sole reason for Walker's slide, but it certainly can't be helping things.
Attack it because it's the New Yorker, but please also opine on the facts presented. If this is the cost to get manufacturing jobs back, are we sure we want to pay it?
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In September of 2017, Governor Scott Walker, Republican of Wisconsin, signed a contract that would make his state the home of the first U.S. factory of Foxconn, the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer. The company, which is based in Taiwan and makes products for Apple, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, among others, would build a 21.5-million-square-foot manufacturing campus, invest up to ten billion dollars in Wisconsin, and hire as many as thirteen thousand workers at an average wage of fifty-four thousand dollars a year.
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But as the public has become aware of the spiralling costs for these jobs, the Foxconn deal has become something of a political liability for Walker, particularly among voters outside of southeastern Wisconsin. Those costs include taxpayer subsidies to the company totalling more than $4.5 billion, the largest subsidy for a foreign corporation in American history. Since Wisconsin already exempts manufacturing companies from paying taxes, Foxconn, which generated a hundred and fifty-eight billion dollars in revenue last year, will receive much of this subsidy in direct cash payments from taxpayers. Depending on how many jobs are actually created, taxpayers will be paying between two hundred and twenty thousand dollars and more than a million dollars per job. According to the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, a nonpartisan agency that provides economic analysis to the Wisconsin state legislature, the earliest citizens might see a return on their Foxconn investment is in 2042.
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There are other costs that have contributed to public skepticism over the Foxconn deal. At Walker’s request, Scott Pruitt, then the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, overruled the objections of his staff to grant most of southeastern Wisconsin an exemption from limits on smog pollution. (Walker declined to respond to interview requests for this article.) The Wisconsin state legislature passed a bill granting Foxconn special court privileges; unlike other litigants, the company can make multiple appeals of unfavorable rulings in a single case, and can even appeal an unfavorable ruling directly to the conservative-controlled Wisconsin Supreme Court. But few costs have caused more outrage than the manner in which Mt. Pleasant’s Village Board of Trustees secured the twenty-eight hundred acres of land, roughly four square miles, necessary to build the Foxconn campus.
To make space for Foxconn’s development, which will also necessitate many miles of new roads, the Village Board has been buying properties, sometimes using the threat of eminent domain to force reluctant homeowners to sell at a price determined by the village. Several weeks before the groundbreaking, the seven-member board went further. By a 6–1 vote, the board designated the entire twenty-eight-hundred-acre area “blighted,” which will allow Mt. Pleasant to issue bonds that are exempt from both federal and state taxes, and may also grant the village a more expansive use of eminent domain to seize the property of the few remaining holdouts, a small if highly visible group, whose property-rights fight embodies a wider sense of disenchantment with the Foxconn deal.
No thanks. And I'm not sure if it is the sole reason for Walker's slide, but it certainly can't be helping things.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:17 pm to boosiebadazz
Are the subsidies refundable credits? I see the article saying they will receive cash. I’d like to know from what.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:18 pm to boosiebadazz
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This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 3:28 am
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:18 pm to boosiebadazz
Yeah, frick those Foxconn jobs. Who needs em
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:18 pm to boosiebadazz
This conveniently comes out right before the election.
There were links posted on this subject at the time of the Foxconn move on this board that it would be subsidized.
There were links posted on this subject at the time of the Foxconn move on this board that it would be subsidized.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:19 pm to boosiebadazz
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Depending on how many jobs are actually created, taxpayers will be paying between two hundred and twenty thousand dollars and more than a million dollars per job.
If this is true, holy frick. Foxconn got a sweetheart deal.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:19 pm to boosiebadazz
Doesn't look like a good deal but if you happen to be one of the folks making $50K+ I'm sure you're happy and I'm happy for you.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:21 pm to boosiebadazz
Just out of curiosity, do you live in Wisconsin?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:22 pm to Wtodd
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In the decades leading up to the 2008 financial crisis, which left unemployment in Racine at nearly twenty per cent, well-paying manufacturing jobs vanished in alarming numbers: the Horlick malted-milk factory, the Racine Steel Castings foundry, the Jacobsen lawnmower factory are all now boarded-up shells. Several thousand people once worked in Case’s massive tractor plant, in a city whose population peaked, in 1970, at ninety-five thousand. The plant was demolished in 2004. “We’ve lost more than fifteen thousand good manufacturing jobs in this area over the course of a generation,” Mason told me. He singled out free trade deals like NAFTA as “devastating” Racine. “Sometimes people use large national numbers and say, ‘Well, in the aggregate, these job losses are more due to automation,’ ” he said. “I can drive you around Racine and show you the empty spaces where factories used to be: none of them shut down because of automation. They shut down to go to Mexico, or China, or somewhere else.”
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For Mason, Foxconn represents a rare opportunity to revitalize his struggling home town. “We’re seeing incumbent companies raise wages in anticipation of Foxconn potentially attracting their employees away,” Mason said. “And they’re talking about over eleven thousand construction jobs just to build the Foxconn facility. That’s before you talk about the hundreds if not thousands of jobs needed to expand the interstate, the jobs that will be needed to put in all the water-utility infrastructure.”
Mason reiterated Foxconn’s promise that it will eventually create thirteen thousand “permanent” jobs in Wisconsin. But the company recently changed the type of factory it plans to build, downsizing to a highly automated plant that will only require three thousand employees, ninety per cent of them “knowledge workers,” such as engineers, programmers, and designers. Almost all of the assembly work will be done by robots. Gou, Foxconn’s chairman, has said he plans to replace eighty per cent of Foxconn’s global workforce with “Foxbots” in the next five to ten years. The company still says it will hire thirteen thousand employees in Wisconsin, but it has fallen short of similar promises in Brazil, India, and Pennsylvania, among other places. Foxconn has already replaced sixty thousand workers who were earning roughly $2.50 an hour in China. Even the expansion of I-94, which is being done to accommodate Foxconn (and being paid for by Wisconsin taxpayers) reflects Foxconn’s faith in automation: the company and the Wisconsin Department of Transportation have discussed dedicating lanes to self-driving cars and trucks. (In a statement, a company representative said, “Foxconn is fully committed to our investment of at least $10 billion in building our state-of-the-art Wisconsin Valley Science and Technology Park in Wisconsin and to meeting all contractual obligations with the relevant government agencies.”)
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:22 pm to Snipe
Nope. I live in good ole South Louisiana
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:24 pm to boosiebadazz
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Nope. I live in good ole South Louisiana
Me either.
That's why I didn't read any of that past Wisconsin..
Louisiana is a dumpster fire. No need to drowned our sorrows in Wisconsin's ignorance..
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:26 pm to boosiebadazz
This could be a Top 10 all-time horribly written article...why say "eighty percent" when everyone else uses "80%"?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:26 pm to Snipe
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Me either.
That's why I didn't read any of that past Wisconsin..
Louisiana is a dumpster fire. No need to drowned our sorrows in Wisconsin's ignorance..
how convenient for you
Would you like to talk about the chemical plants in the River parishes and the recent air quality numbers that just came out?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:27 pm to boosiebadazz
Jindal did this on a much smaller scale only to see those same companies leave or scale back operations. Subsidies like this do not fix the underlying reasons the businesses left in the first place.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:27 pm to boosiebadazz
That was really light on facts. $4.5 billion over what span of time? 30 years?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:33 pm to boosiebadazz
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Those costs include taxpayer subsidies to the company totaling more than $4.5 billion
So they are not going to pay taxes on the jobs they bring here, that would have stayed in Taiwan -- WHERE THEY PAY NO U.S. TAXES, nor would those wages have been spent here, either?
So in a decade or so, they get all their money back, that otherwise would have stayed in Taiwan permanently. And you have a problem with that?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:42 pm to boosiebadazz
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Would you like to talk about the chemical plants in the River parishes and the recent air quality numbers that just came out?
No need to I know its a disaster. We all know it. Problem is you have a choice.
Chem Plants
or
Detroit.
You pick.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:47 pm to boosiebadazz
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Depending on how many jobs are actually created, taxpayers will be paying between two hundred and twenty thousand dollars and more than a million dollars per job.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:47 pm to CAD703X
yeah I ain't readin all of boosie's crap either. lemme guess it is BAD news for the R's or Trumpy? amirite no ragrets?
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