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Remember that Foxconn deal to bring manufacturing jobs to Wisconsin?

Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:15 pm
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Attack it because it's the New Yorker, but please also opine on the facts presented. If this is the cost to get manufacturing jobs back, are we sure we want to pay it?

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In September of 2017, Governor Scott Walker, Republican of Wisconsin, signed a contract that would make his state the home of the first U.S. factory of Foxconn, the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer. The company, which is based in Taiwan and makes products for Apple, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, among others, would build a 21.5-million-square-foot manufacturing campus, invest up to ten billion dollars in Wisconsin, and hire as many as thirteen thousand workers at an average wage of fifty-four thousand dollars a year.


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But as the public has become aware of the spiralling costs for these jobs, the Foxconn deal has become something of a political liability for Walker, particularly among voters outside of southeastern Wisconsin. Those costs include taxpayer subsidies to the company totalling more than $4.5 billion, the largest subsidy for a foreign corporation in American history. Since Wisconsin already exempts manufacturing companies from paying taxes, Foxconn, which generated a hundred and fifty-eight billion dollars in revenue last year, will receive much of this subsidy in direct cash payments from taxpayers. Depending on how many jobs are actually created, taxpayers will be paying between two hundred and twenty thousand dollars and more than a million dollars per job. According to the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, a nonpartisan agency that provides economic analysis to the Wisconsin state legislature, the earliest citizens might see a return on their Foxconn investment is in 2042.


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There are other costs that have contributed to public skepticism over the Foxconn deal. At Walker’s request, Scott Pruitt, then the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, overruled the objections of his staff to grant most of southeastern Wisconsin an exemption from limits on smog pollution. (Walker declined to respond to interview requests for this article.) The Wisconsin state legislature passed a bill granting Foxconn special court privileges; unlike other litigants, the company can make multiple appeals of unfavorable rulings in a single case, and can even appeal an unfavorable ruling directly to the conservative-controlled Wisconsin Supreme Court. But few costs have caused more outrage than the manner in which Mt. Pleasant’s Village Board of Trustees secured the twenty-eight hundred acres of land, roughly four square miles, necessary to build the Foxconn campus.

To make space for Foxconn’s development, which will also necessitate many miles of new roads, the Village Board has been buying properties, sometimes using the threat of eminent domain to force reluctant homeowners to sell at a price determined by the village. Several weeks before the groundbreaking, the seven-member board went further. By a 6–1 vote, the board designated the entire twenty-eight-hundred-acre area “blighted,” which will allow Mt. Pleasant to issue bonds that are exempt from both federal and state taxes, and may also grant the village a more expansive use of eminent domain to seize the property of the few remaining holdouts, a small if highly visible group, whose property-rights fight embodies a wider sense of disenchantment with the Foxconn deal.


No thanks. And I'm not sure if it is the sole reason for Walker's slide, but it certainly can't be helping things.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:16 pm to
first downvote
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48439 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:17 pm to
Are the subsidies refundable credits? I see the article saying they will receive cash. I’d like to know from what.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:18 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 3:28 am
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25049 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:18 pm to
Yeah, frick those Foxconn jobs. Who needs em
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:18 pm to
This conveniently comes out right before the election.

There were links posted on this subject at the time of the Foxconn move on this board that it would be subsidized.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16746 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:19 pm to
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Depending on how many jobs are actually created, taxpayers will be paying between two hundred and twenty thousand dollars and more than a million dollars per job.



If this is true, holy frick. Foxconn got a sweetheart deal.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67490 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:19 pm to
Doesn't look like a good deal but if you happen to be one of the folks making $50K+ I'm sure you're happy and I'm happy for you.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10935 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:21 pm to
Just out of curiosity, do you live in Wisconsin?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80273 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:22 pm to
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In the decades leading up to the 2008 financial crisis, which left unemployment in Racine at nearly twenty per cent, well-paying manufacturing jobs vanished in alarming numbers: the Horlick malted-milk factory, the Racine Steel Castings foundry, the Jacobsen lawnmower factory are all now boarded-up shells. Several thousand people once worked in Case’s massive tractor plant, in a city whose population peaked, in 1970, at ninety-five thousand. The plant was demolished in 2004. “We’ve lost more than fifteen thousand good manufacturing jobs in this area over the course of a generation,” Mason told me. He singled out free trade deals like NAFTA as “devastating” Racine. “Sometimes people use large national numbers and say, ‘Well, in the aggregate, these job losses are more due to automation,’ ” he said. “I can drive you around Racine and show you the empty spaces where factories used to be: none of them shut down because of automation. They shut down to go to Mexico, or China, or somewhere else.”


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For Mason, Foxconn represents a rare opportunity to revitalize his struggling home town. “We’re seeing incumbent companies raise wages in anticipation of Foxconn potentially attracting their employees away,” Mason said. “And they’re talking about over eleven thousand construction jobs just to build the Foxconn facility. That’s before you talk about the hundreds if not thousands of jobs needed to expand the interstate, the jobs that will be needed to put in all the water-utility infrastructure.”

Mason reiterated Foxconn’s promise that it will eventually create thirteen thousand “permanent” jobs in Wisconsin. But the company recently changed the type of factory it plans to build, downsizing to a highly automated plant that will only require three thousand employees, ninety per cent of them “knowledge workers,” such as engineers, programmers, and designers. Almost all of the assembly work will be done by robots. Gou, Foxconn’s chairman, has said he plans to replace eighty per cent of Foxconn’s global workforce with “Foxbots” in the next five to ten years. The company still says it will hire thirteen thousand employees in Wisconsin, but it has fallen short of similar promises in Brazil, India, and Pennsylvania, among other places. Foxconn has already replaced sixty thousand workers who were earning roughly $2.50 an hour in China. Even the expansion of I-94, which is being done to accommodate Foxconn (and being paid for by Wisconsin taxpayers) reflects Foxconn’s faith in automation: the company and the Wisconsin Department of Transportation have discussed dedicating lanes to self-driving cars and trucks. (In a statement, a company representative said, “Foxconn is fully committed to our investment of at least $10 billion in building our state-of-the-art Wisconsin Valley Science and Technology Park in Wisconsin and to meeting all contractual obligations with the relevant government agencies.”)
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80273 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:22 pm to
Nope. I live in good ole South Louisiana
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10935 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:24 pm to
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Nope. I live in good ole South Louisiana




Me either.

That's why I didn't read any of that past Wisconsin..

Louisiana is a dumpster fire. No need to drowned our sorrows in Wisconsin's ignorance..
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67490 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:26 pm to
This could be a Top 10 all-time horribly written article...why say "eighty percent" when everyone else uses "80%"?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80273 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:26 pm to
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Me either.

That's why I didn't read any of that past Wisconsin..

Louisiana is a dumpster fire. No need to drowned our sorrows in Wisconsin's ignorance..


how convenient for you

Would you like to talk about the chemical plants in the River parishes and the recent air quality numbers that just came out?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112682 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:27 pm to
Jindal did this on a much smaller scale only to see those same companies leave or scale back operations. Subsidies like this do not fix the underlying reasons the businesses left in the first place.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2473 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:27 pm to
That was really light on facts. $4.5 billion over what span of time? 30 years?
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27935 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:33 pm to
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Those costs include taxpayer subsidies to the company totaling more than $4.5 billion

So they are not going to pay taxes on the jobs they bring here, that would have stayed in Taiwan -- WHERE THEY PAY NO U.S. TAXES, nor would those wages have been spent here, either?

So in a decade or so, they get all their money back, that otherwise would have stayed in Taiwan permanently. And you have a problem with that?


Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10935 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:42 pm to
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Would you like to talk about the chemical plants in the River parishes and the recent air quality numbers that just came out?



No need to I know its a disaster. We all know it. Problem is you have a choice.

Chem Plants


or

Detroit.

You pick.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73862 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:47 pm to
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Depending on how many jobs are actually created, taxpayers will be paying between two hundred and twenty thousand dollars and more than a million dollars per job.


Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146956 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 12:47 pm to
yeah I ain't readin all of boosie's crap either. lemme guess it is BAD news for the R's or Trumpy? amirite no ragrets?
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