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re: “Relevant Statistics” Thread

Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:33 pm to
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550k out of 1155k (47%) of black violent crime is against whites

365k out of 767k (47%) of hispanic violent crime is against whites

79k out of 131k (60%) of asian violent crime is against whites

Notice a trend? Why oh why do you assume these ratios would hold up if we change who the majority is?


The issue at hand is that whites commit more violent crime against minorities than their own race, because they are racist. Any data that would suggest that?
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:38 pm to
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The issue at hand is that whites commit more violent crime against minorities than their own race, because they are racist. Any data that would suggest that?
For very nearly the 10th time, NO!

I have not and would not make that argument. The ONLY argument I am making is that any math that concludes that blacks commit "FORTY FIVE TIMES MORE VIOLENCE AGAINST WHITES" is bunk math. That is what the graphic says, and it is a straight up lie. The data absolutely does not support that conclusion.
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:42 pm to
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That is not MY premise. MY premise is that the statement "blacks commit 45X more violence against whites" is deceitful, malicious, and straight up false. It is an intentionally misleading conclusion drawn using bunk math that ignores the nature of dependent variables.


Exactly. You have created your own damn premise that is so far off from the rest of the data to try and discredit all of it. The 45x thing is not needed to draw a conclusion. I have already agreed with you that this is not a meaningful “stat”. Who is being deceitful?

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That's about fricking right. "ANY conclusion that I draw is valid." Jesus.



You have done a very poor job of explaining why your position matters in the least. This is damn near 20 pages of you arguing with people who have drawn a conclusion that does not even rely on the graphic you are hung up on.

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Yep, never denied that. I have agreed with that fact several times. I have probably said that blacks commit crime at over twice the rate of whites at least half a dozen times in this thread.


Great, all I needed to hear. You have wasted a lot of your time ITT
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:45 pm to
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Wait, you're actually upset about perceived insults? Let's see who is actually doing that.

Ok.
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Weak and stupid is no way to go through life.
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Dude, you are ate up with the dumbass.
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You truly aren't very bright
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I just like fricking with the intellectually challenged.
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you still aren't smart enough to stop your lunacy.
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Are you really that stupid?
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I'm sure your husband just loves that.

There's more, but I stopped at page 14. There were also countless pointless gifs in there.

And in between all that, there is not one single post that is on topic.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:58 pm to
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Exactly. You have created your own damn premise that is so far off from the rest of the data to try and discredit all of it.


This is only as far as I've gotten! The very first and most prominent graphic in the OP is so fricking far off the mark that it needs to be addressed. It is purposely divisive, and I'm sick of that shite. Aren't you?
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The 45x thing is not needed to draw a conclusion.
The point is that it blows the actual conclusion up by an order of magnitude in order to divide people.
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I have already agreed with you that this is not a meaningful “stat”. Who is being deceitful?
Certainly not me.
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You have done a very poor job of explaining why your position matters in the least.
It matters because we are supposed to care about the truth and honesty. Does that not matter to you?
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Great, all I needed to hear. You have wasted a lot of your time ITT
If that's all you needed to hear, you could have stopped reading 15 pages ago.

And I will never consider it to be a waste of my time to dispel lies. It would be shameful IMO to let people go on believing them and not speak up.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:59 pm to
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MY premise is that the statement "blacks commit 45X more violence against whites" is deceitful, malicious, and straight up false.


You’re right. It’s closer to 10 or 11 times more. Not 45.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:03 pm to
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There's more, but I stopped at page 14. There were also countless pointless gifs in there.


Do you want a cookie? I never said I didn't say anything to you. I'm just mature enough not to cry about it. You're a hypocritical liar. That's all.

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And in between all that, there is not one single post that is on topic.


Do you really think I give a shite about this? You have wasted so much time trying to prove you are right about something that is manipulated, according to your "math"

Keep falling on that sword

Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:04 pm to
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And I will never consider it to be a waste of my time to dispel lies. It would be shameful IMO to let people go on believing them and not speak up.


Well, I'll sleep better at night knowing that.

Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:07 pm to
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You’re right. It’s closer to 10 or 11 times more. Not 45.


Thanks, Breesus. Now we have another 20 pages of him going on about this
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:09 pm to
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Do you really think I give a shite about this?
Obviously not.


You are here solely to insult and derail rather than talk about the topic and dispel lies.

You care more about showing off in front of your buddies than you do about the truth.

You care more about trolling and gaslighting than you do about being honest.



You are a shite-stirrer and nothing else. You are in this thread because of me and me only. You don't care about the topic. You don't care about the facts. All you care about is pissing me off. That's pathetic.

Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:10 pm to
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Thanks, Breesus. Now we have another 20 pages of him going on about this



Whatever keeps this thread on the front page so more people see the statistics in the OP
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:12 pm to
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And I will never consider it to be a waste of my time to dispel lies


As you lie yourself, that's rich. Alter boy
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:13 pm to
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Whatever keeps this thread on the front page so more people see the statistics in the OP
At least you are honest that your intent is to spread lies. Can't say the same for the rest in here.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:14 pm to
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Whatever keeps this thread on the front page so more people see the statistics in the OP
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:15 pm to
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You’re right. It’s closer to 10 or 11 times more. Not 45.
Sure. As long as you understand that the 10X ratio would decrease rather than increase if the populations were equal.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:16 pm to
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At least you are honest that your intent is to spread lies. Can't say the same for the rest in here.


You're not staying on topic.

Come on, we can't wait for more paragraphs from you.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:17 pm to
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Obviously not. You are here solely to insult and derail rather than talk about the topic and dispel lies. You care more about showing off in front of your buddies than you do about the truth. You care more about trolling and gaslighting than you do about being honest. You are a shite-stirrer and nothing else. You are in this thread because of me and me only. You don't care about the topic. You don't care about the facts. All you care about is pissing me off. That's pathetic.




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You are in this thread because of me and me only.

Don't flatter yourself
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:18 pm to
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At least you are honest that your intent is to spread lies.


What lies?
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:20 pm to
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What lies?


I think he is talking about his.
Posted by Logician
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:20 pm to
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And I will never consider it to be a waste of my time to dispel lies. It would be shameful IMO to let people go on believing them and not speak up.

oh wow you must be really busy factchecking the news and twitter all day

do you put this much effort into factchecking liberal talking points?
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