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gobuxgo5
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Re-reading about the 17 agencies (Russia)
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4 or 17 agencies confirm orange man bad

Muh coast guards


Jimbeaux
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I’m still waiting to hear the evidence. So strange that those agencies never were given access to the server that was supposed to be hacked, but instead relied on the assessment of Crowd Strike, a company hired by the Clinton team. Is this how our intelligence agencies normally operate?

It’s as if these media folks forgot how to be journalists. When they say that “the Kremlin” hacked the election, I don’t really know what they are talking about.

There were some Russian groups putting content out on social media sites, but I don’t know what or how much. Supposedly it wasn’t very much.

Then there’s the DNC emails, Podesta emails, and Hillary emails. Is it alleged these were obtained separately?

And now we know that it’s been reported that Hillary’s home brewed server was actually hacked by the Chinese. Was this in addition to the other hacking?

How do we know that Wikileaks didn’t get the emails they posted from the Chinese?

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. When they say that “the Kremlin” hacked the election, I don’t really know what they are talking about.

That's not your fault, they dont either.


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LakeCharles
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re: Re-reading about the 17 agencies (Russia)
From the article -

They are as follows: Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

Some of these are large, independent agencies, like the FBI, CIA and NSA. Others are smaller offices within agencies whose main focus is not intelligence, like the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research or the Treasury’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis.




How much do you want to bet the four were:

FBI
CIA
Office of the Director of National Intelligence (clapper)
State Department


These four are involved in the Russia collusion bull shite. It's OK though - the NSA has all the data. Phone calls, email, texts, documents.


djmicrobe
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There were some Russian groups putting content out on social media sites, but I don’t know what or how much. Supposedly it wasn’t very much.


Supposedly these groups spent about $100k, and their media info did not change any votes. (Not sure how this can be determined)
Crowd strike told the intel agencies that the Russians hacked the emails and gave them to Wikileaks. They took Crowdstrike's word. It has been reported that they did not review the report.
It has also been reported that 5 different countries hacked HRC's server. People dies due to these hacks.

Richard Pollock reports for The Daily Caller, Aug. 27, 2018, that, as part of the Chinese government’s intelligence operation, a Chinese-owned company operating in the Washington, D.C., area hacked Hillary’s private server throughout her term as secretary of state (January 21, 2009 to February 1, 2013).

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The hacking was enabled by code that was embedded in Hillary’s server that was kept in her upstate New York home. The code generated an instant “courtesy copy” for nearly all of her emails, which was then forwarded to the Chinese company. Copies of Hillary’s emails and attached documents were generated in real time, as she was sending and receiving them. As a result, Beijing has in their possession nearly all her emails, which the American people don’t have.


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Red alert this morning as we’ve just gotten an update to a major story we reported on yesterday.

On Tuesday, we learned that Peter Strzok, the FBI investigator in charge of looking into Hillary Clinton’s illegal use of a private email server, actually ignored an indication that a foreign power hacked into the server, thus putting national security at risk.

Remember: former FBI Director James Comey confirmed that the Hillary server was indeed hacked. And we also know that Strzok, who was viscerally anti-Trump during the election and openly wished that Hillary would wallop him in the presidential race, actually changed the wording on the final FBI report on the server usage to effectively help Clinton avoid federal charges.
Now, it turns out, the corruption goes deeper. Much deeper. All the way to the White House, in fact.
Fox News is reporting that Strzok’s ignoring of the breach was actually approved of with the consent of then-President Barack Obama.


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Now consider what the New York Post reported yesterday, six paragraphs into a story. Paul Sperry writes:

US intelligence officials so far have determined that at least four — and as many as 305 — of the more than 30,000 e-mails Clinton and her aides have printed out and turned over to investigators were classified at the time they were written.

They include a 2011 message from Clinton’s top aides that contains military intelligence from United States Africa Command gleaned from satellite images of troop movements in Libya, along with the travel and protection plans for Ambassador Christopher Stevens, who was later killed in a terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya. Another staff ­e-mail sent to Clinton in 2012 contained investigative data about Benghazi terrorist suspects wanted by the FBI. (emphasis added)

If the travel and protection plans for Ambassador Stevens were known to ISIS on September 10, 2011, then setting up the attack that resulted in his and three other Americans’ deaths would have been considerably aided. Update: while the attack actually occurred a year later, on September 11, 2012, if the vulnerable email system used by Hillary Clinton continued to provide infornation to hackers, the possibility of aid to the ISI forces cannot be discounted. (Hat tip: Jenn Crawford)


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The Chinese government systematically dismantled C.I.A. spying operations in the country starting in 2010, killing or imprisoning more than a dozen sources over two years and crippling intelligence gathering there for years afterward.

Current and former American officials described the intelligence breach as one of the worst in decades. It set off a scramble in Washington’s intelligence and law enforcement agencies to contain the fallout, but investigators were bitterly divided over the cause. Some were convinced that a mole within the C.I.A. had betrayed the United States. Others believed that the Chinese had hacked the covert system the C.I.A. used to communicate with its foreign sources. Years later, that debate remains unresolved.

But there was no disagreement about the damage. From the final weeks of 2010 through the end of 2012, according to former American officials, the Chinese killed at least a dozen of the C.I.A.’s sources.


This is what happens when you go against HRC. You die, and cause of death is "unknown" or you die based on mysterious circumstances.
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According to the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for Washington, D.C., it has still not determined a cause of death for Shawn Lucas, the 38-year old process server who delivered the class action lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee and its then Chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, to the DNC headquarters on July 1. One month later, the girlfriend of Lucas came home to find him dead on the bathroom floor.

It has now been more than three weeks since Lucas died with no cause of death announced. We asked the Chief Medical Examiner’s office if the delay was a result of toxicology tests being conducted. We were told it can make no comment beyond the fact that the cause of death is “pending.”
At the time the lawsuit was filed, the attorneys for the Sanders’ plaintiffs already had significant evidence that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz had put their fingers on the scale to tip the primary results in favor of Hillary Clinton while overtly undermining the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders. (The DNC is prohibited from unfair treatment of Democratic primary candidates under its own bylaws.)


TenWheelsForJesus
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And now we know that it’s been reported that Hillary’s home brewed server was actually hacked by the Chinese.


Hacked or sold access? I'm betting on the latter.


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funnystuff
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relied on the assessment of Crowd Strike
This has to be the right’s most repeated lie coming out of the entire Russia debacle. The entire reason crowd strike was brought in is because one of the intelligence agencies alerted the DNC that they were being hacked by the Russians. It wasn’t crowd strike making an assessment and the IC taking their word; it was the IC who identified the problem and alerted the DNC to take active measures against it. Y’all have your order of causality dead arse backwards on this one.



Don’t get me wrong, muh Russians is still absolutely one of the most shameful chapters in an already pitiful history of American politics. But muh servers is a pretty damn sad response as well.


Wolfhound45
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relied on the draft, redacted assessment of Crowd Strike
FIFY


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TenWheelsForJesus
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Update: while the attack actually occurred a year later, on September 11, 2012, if the vulnerable email system used by Hillary Clinton continued to provide infornation to hackers, the possibility of aid to the ISI forces cannot be discounted.


There's reason to believe it is much worse than that.

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Marc Turi is from Phoenix AZ and was a neighbor of John McCain. McCain who has been on the Senate Arms Committee for years helped Turi secure billions in arms contracts with the DoD. Then Clinton and McCain came up with a plan to arm Al-Qaeda to get them to overthrow Qaddafi

It's nothing new for us to arm bad guys it's been done many times, just ask Ollie North. But it's usually a CIA effort but they opposed the idea from the very beginning because of the high risk involved in arming “insurgents” with powerful weapons that endanger civilian aircraft.
But HRC had a big pay day coming and could care less, she never flew commercial anyway. Clinton still wanted to proceed because she wanted to overthrow Qaddafi on the cheap...

Those containers in Qatar that were diverted on the docks from Turi's shipment delivered between 50 and 60 of those same Stingers to the Taliban in early 2012, and an additional 200 SA-24 Igla-S SAMs.
now HRC put Stevens in the position of having to clean up the scandalous enterprise when it became clear that the “insurgents” actually were al-Qaeda, the same group that attacked the consulate and ended up killing Stevens, Sean Smith; CIA contractors Tyrone Woods & Glen Doherty

...why in the hell was Stevens even in Benghazi in the first place.

What's the desperate need to send him into a hostile unstable situation diplomacy? In Benghazi? We had no boots on the ground, only CIA contractors monitoring the situation there. Stevens showing up to set up a makeshift embassy in a virtually non secure facility for what?
The spread the voice of freedom & goodwill? BS! Wikileaks blew the lid off of it and people started connecting the dots. HRC was neck deep in illegal arms dealing to our enemies, Fast & Furious on the international scale. McCain/HRC were scapegoating Turi to cover their tracks

Chris Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the Libyan opposition. He first entered Benghazi on April 5, 2011, joined by a USAID team, USAID team? How about some damn Marines? Who was neck deep in USAID and still are to this day? The Clinton Foundation.

In the 13 hr standoff in Benghazi multiple stand down orders from HRC, Response teams changing in and out of uniforms multiple times, U.S. Sec officer Eric Nordstrom twice requested additional security for the mission in Benghazi from the State Dept but requests were denied.
State Dept official Charlene Lamb said she wanted to keep the security presence in Benghazi "artificially low" to not draw attention to why they were really there. Surplus funds originally earmarked for use in Iran were redirected & obligated for use in Benghazi to buy stingers

But Wikileaks emails revealed communications where HRC was seeking small 10 container unmarked vessels to move the sea cans

Here's 1651 emails in this sort that connect Clinton to al-Qaida and ISIS in both Libya and Syria, demonstrating Clinton supplied weapons to ISIS via Syria.


Threadreader
Emails on Wikileaks


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BeefDawg
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This has to be the right’s most repeated lie coming out of the entire Russia debacle. The entire reason crowd strike was brought in is because one of the intelligence agencies alerted the DNC that they were being hacked by the Russians. It wasn’t crowd strike making an assessment and the IC taking their word; it was the IC who identified the problem and alerted the DNC to take active measures against it. Y’all have your order of causality dead arse backwards on this one.

This is false.

First of all, Podesta and Robbie Mook we’re claiming someone stole emails and DNC docs back in Feb 2015. They even said when they find the leaker, they are going to make an example of them.

LINK

In Nov of 2015, the DNC claims they received a call from an FBI agent telling them APT29 (Cozy Bear) was trying to access their domain. The DNC’s tech “guru” administrator didn’t believe him and supposedly did nothing. Then in Jan 2016, the same FBI agent called again and said APT28 (Fozzy Bear) was in their mainframe snooping around. This time, their tech administrator says he scanned for intruders in the system but claimed he found nothing and it was clean.

DCLeaks then opened a website in early June 2016 (6 months later) with a couple hundred DNC documents. About a week later Guccifer2.0 opened a website with thousands of DNC documents and emails.

The next week, June 14, 2016, the DNC went offline and hired CrowdStrike.

It had nothing to do with the FBI.
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re: Re-reading about the 17 agencies (Russia)
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The entire reason crowd strike was brought in is because one of the intelligence agencies alerted the DNC that they were being hacked by the Russians. It wasn’t crowd strike making an assessment and the IC taking their word; it was the IC who identified the problem and alerted the DNC to take active measures against it.


Because Crowdstrike has more capabilities than the United States IC including the NSA, military etc.



funnystuff
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Because the IC was already aware of the issue. That’s the point.



funnystuff
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Why did you link a WaPo article about rebranding Clinton?


BeefDawg
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Why did you link a WaPo article about rebranding Clinton?

Was working off my phone. Accidentally linked the wrong one. I fixed it above. And here it is again.

LINK


BeefDawg
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Because the IC was already aware of the issue. That’s the point.

Stop it. You’re looking stupid.

There is testimony and articles confirming the FBI/IC played no part in the hiring of CrowdStrike.

The DNC network administrator admitted he didn’t even believe the one FBI agent who contacted them back in Nov/Dec was a real FBI agent.

They only hired CrowdStrike AFTER Guccifer2.0 opened his website 6 months later. There was no recommendation or communication from the FBI in between.


funnystuff
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I’m not saying they played any part in hiring crowd strike; you are arguing against a position I don’t hold.


I’m saying the FBI didn’t need to investigate the server (or read crowd strike’s report on the server) because they already knew what it would reveal; that the DNC had been hacked.
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VoxDawg
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We have it all.


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funnystuff
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Ok, well even that link makes no reference to stolen emails. The entire email thread is clearly a response to the 50 marketing wizards wapo article you had just accidentally linked. So I assume you knew that, but ignored it anyway just for the sake of making your case.


Don’t get me wrong, the near entirety of HRC’s campaign staff were pieces of shit, and this aggressive crusade against perceived leakers even if they aren’t actually culpable is clearly evidence of their shitty morality. But there’s nothing there about stolen emails.


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Strannix
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I’m saying the FBI didn’t need to investigate the server (or read crowd strike’s report on the server) because they already knew what it would reveal; that the DNC had been hacked.


So the FBI took their word for it?

Why didn’t they take that tack with Trump?

FBI to Trump, “did you collude with Russia?”

Trump, “absolutely not”

We could have avoided a 2 year 100 million dollar special counsel with a team of 30 angry democrat lawyers that as Trump said they would found NOTHING
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funnystuff
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Nope, still way off. Let’s try one more time.


-The IC discovered that the DNC was dumb enough to let themselves get hacked
-The IC informed the DNC that they had been hacked
-The DNC, arrogant about their infallibility, doubted this assessment and hired crowd strike to assess
-Crowd strike confirmed to the DNC that they had been hacked
-The IC did not give a shite about the server of the crowd strike report because the IC already knew about the issue to begin with


To tough to follow?
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