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Re: PA WHERE IS BARR? Shouldn’t Federal Elections be played by FEDERAL RULES?

Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:19 pm
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:19 pm
This is absolutely absurd. It’s a Federal Election. Why the Frick are the rules regarding it being set by states anyway?



BARR needs to file for a TRO ASAP in PA Federal District Court.


This is horseshite.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26345 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:22 pm to
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It’s a Federal Election.


Oh rly?

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Why the Frick are the rules regarding it being set by states anyway?


Jesus fricking Christ.

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Shouldn’t Federal Elections be played by FEDERAL RULES?


No. Read a book. Or the Constitution.

We do not have a singular federal election for President in this country. This is also why popular vote is nothing but a meaningless statistic. Each of the 50 states + DC hold their own elections.

We are a federal republic. The individual states are sovereign in and of themselves, apart from the federal government, and they (as states) elect the chief executive. Not the people and not the population.

With very few exceptions, the states can allocate their Electoral College votes however they want. The individual states aren’t even required to HOLD a popular election to decide where their EV’s go for President.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 5:40 pm
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19970 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:26 pm to
Actually, there is no such thing as a federal election, per se. You are voting for federal offices, but it’s actually a state issue.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26345 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:27 pm to
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BARR needs to file for a TRO ASAP in PA Federal District Court.


Denied.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146854 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:28 pm to
you are absolutely correct.

the election is the election you don't count votes 3 days later until you win.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:28 pm to
FEDERAL Election Laws and FEDERAL Campaign Finance Laws say hello to your thesis that the Feds have no right to set election rules and regulations regarding positions wherein Federal pairings are being filled.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 5:29 pm
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:28 pm to
You are seeing why it's so important to vote for state judges, governors, sec of states etc

Down ballot has so much power contrary to what we think.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:33 pm to
Seems to me the Feds have quite a bunch to say about elections and they have wide latitude on regulating elections.


Perhaps you should read this book






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Help America Vote Act of 2002 • Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 • Election of Senators and Representatives, 2 USCS Chapter 1 • Federal Election Campaigns, 2 USCS Chapter 14 • Presidential Elections and Vacancies, 3 USCS Chapter 1 • Political Activity of Certain State and Local Employees, 5 USCS Chapter 15 • Financing of Presidential Election Campaigns, 26 USCS Chapters 95 and 96 • Designation of Income Tax Payments to Presidential Election Campaign Fund, 26 USCS Chapter 61 • National Voter Registration Act of 1993 • Voting Rights Act of 1965 • Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act • Select federal regulations including enforcement of the Voting Rights Act
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 5:34 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26345 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:33 pm to
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FEDERAL Election Laws


Nothing you cited impacts the states actual administration of the election. Things like the VRA tell the states what they CANNOT do.

You can yell at the sky all you want. But these elections are administered by the states, and they are largely free to allocate their EV’s however they see fit.

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FEDERAL Campaign Finance Laws


Not the same thing as laws governing the administration of the election. These laws are directed at campaigns and organizations. Not states, and not the election itself.

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Laws say hello to your thesis that the Feds have no right to set election rules and regulations regarding positions wherein Federal pairings are being filled.


This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 5:36 pm
Posted by TakingStock
Member since Jun 2009
6091 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:35 pm to
All of this shows me that the polls we are seeing are complete garbage and Trump is up big because Democrats wouldn’t be going through such great lengths to steal the election with fraudulent mail in ballots.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:35 pm to
See above.


Bunch of federal election laws.


File TRO and let the Federal Courts say why the Federal Govt does not have an interest in preventing voter fraud in a election to elect the head of then Executive Branch of the FEDERAL GOVT.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26345 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:35 pm to
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let the Federal Courts say why the Federal Govt does not have an interest in preventing voter fraud in a election to elect the head of then Executive Branch of the FEDERAL GOVT.


That is not the standard for a TRO

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File TRO


Again, it’s denied immediately in this instance.

This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 5:39 pm
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:37 pm to
Wrong
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26345 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:37 pm to
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Wrong


Then I look forward to this TRO being granted!

I mean surely if you’re right the DoJ will quickly spring to action and take care of this.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 5:38 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146854 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:38 pm to
at the very least the lawyers of the GOP Trump campaign need to wake-up.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:50 pm to
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That is not the standard for a TRO




No sh I t really?!?!

You don’t think “irreparable harm” if the use of non compliant ballots are counted to choose the head of the Federal Govt can’t be argued?


Ok dude have a good one
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26345 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:16 pm to
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You don’t think “irreparable harm” if the use of non compliant ballots are counted to choose the head of the Federal Govt can’t be argued?



Weird that you quote irreparable harm here, whenever it was not included in your post that I responded to.

And, on the merits, you are correct (despite not meaning to be) the federal government loses that argument. Fed Gov is not the proper party to bring something like that here.

Citizens of Pennsylvania? Much more likely to see success.

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Ok dude have a good one




I will. No request for a TRO will be filed btw. But I’m sure the DoJ is as wrong as I am


I agree with your premise on the wrongfulness of PA’s policies, in case you were wondering. It’s blatantly encouraging shenanigans with vote totals and ballot harvesting.

But the point remains that it simply is not an issue for the federal government, unless and until the current legal framework is changed. It is an issue for the people and commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Kattail
Member since Aug 2020
3330 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:23 pm to
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This is absolutely absurd. It’s a Federal Election. Why the Frick are the rules regarding it being set by states anyway?



BARR needs to file for a TRO ASAP in PA Federal District Court.


This is horse shite.


Thank you !!!!
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:29 pm to
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Fed Gov is not the proper party to bring something like that here.



BULL shite. They have standing to bring such and action and they can also get a few PA citizens to join them arguing that the citizens’s votes that are legit may be irreparably damaged by illegal ballots being counted.


This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26345 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:32 pm to
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They have standing to bring such and action and they can also get a few PA citizens to join them arguing that the citizens’s votes that are legit may be irreparably damaged by illegal ballots being counted.



Then bump this thread when said suit is filed, with FedGov as a plaintiff. I’ll be waiting.

If you’re right, absolutely nothing is preventing DoJ from filing tomorrow at 9am. How strange that they won’t.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 6:34 pm
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