re: Rama Duwaji, wife of Mamdani, is making some very ludicrous claims about Jesus' mother.

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The Philistines are the Palestinians.

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No, they are not.

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Yes, they are.

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Palestinian woman giving birth under occupation"

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The jews are now Rome 2.0

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So back up your facts with facts

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Bruuuuh...

You really questioning where Jesus was born and whether it is a place now called Palestine or that it was under Roman occupation at the time?

There was nothing said about him being Muslim. You do realize Palestinian =/= Muslim. There are Christian Palestinians. There were Jewish people living in what is called Palestine prior to the European Jews moving there.

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Yes, they are.

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No, they are not.

Timeline: Canaan ? Judea ? Palestine

This is a simplified chronological overview of the region's naming and political evolution. Transitions were gradual, with overlapping names depending on perspective, rulers, and context. Dates are approximate.

Bronze Age: Canaan (c. 3000–1200 BCE)

Canaan / Canaanites: Primary name for the land and its Semitic city-state inhabitants.
Egyptian, Mesopotamian, and local records refer to it as Canaan.
Under Egyptian influence in the Late Bronze Age.

Late Bronze to Early Iron Age: Emergence of Israel (c. 1200–1000 BCE)

Collapse of Bronze Age powers (Egypt, Hittites, etc.).
Israelites emerge in the Canaanite highlands (Merneptah Stele mentions "Israel" c. 1208 BCE).
Gradual settlement and cultural distinction from Canaanites.

Iron Age: Kingdoms of Israel and Judah (c. 1000–586 BCE)

United Monarchy (c. 1000–930 BCE, per Bible; debated archaeologically): Saul, David, Solomon. Jerusalem becomes capital.
Split (c. 930 BCE): Northern Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) and southern Kingdom of Judah (Jerusalem).
Kingdom of Judah (c. 930–586 BCE): Southern kingdom; name Yehudah applies to the territory and people. Davidic dynasty rules.

Babylonian / Persian Periods: Yehud / Judea (586 BCE – 332 BCE)

586 BCE: Babylon destroys Jerusalem and the Kingdom of Judah; exile.
Yehud (Babylonian/Persian province): Name persists for the area around Jerusalem.
Jewish return under Persians (c. 538 BCE); Second Temple built.

Hellenistic / Hasmonean Period (332 BCE – 63 BCE)

Alexander the Great conquers; region under Greek (Ptolemaic/Seleucid) influence.
Judea: Greek/Roman term for the Jewish territory/kingdom.
Hasmonean Revolt (167–160 BCE) establishes independent Jewish rule (Judea).

Roman Period: Judea ? Syria Palaestina (63 BCE – 4th century CE)

63 BCE: Romans conquer; Province of Judea.
70 CE: Destruction of Second Temple.
Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–136 CE): Emperor Hadrian renames the province Syria Palaestina (after Philistines) to diminish Jewish ties. Jerusalem becomes Aelia Capitolina.

Post-Roman to Modern Era: Palestine


Byzantine period (4th–7th centuries): Palaestina Prima, Secunda, etc.
Arab/Islamic period (7th century onward): Filastin (Arabic form of Palestine) as a district (Jund Filastin).
Crusaders, Mamluks, Ottomans: "Palestine" used geographically (not a sovereign state).
British Mandate of Palestine (1920–1948): Official modern administrative name.
Post-1948: Region divided; "Palestine" refers to Palestinian territories/national identity

This is pointless at this point. This other retard is arguing against the frickin etymology of the words relevant to this discussion.

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This is pointless at this point. This other retard is arguing against the frickin etymology of the words relevant to this discussion

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See my post above this one. Argue against that, i'll wait. Just ask AI, was Mary considered Palestinian.

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Your post above doesn't mention or touch on the fact that, as BoarEd said, the Greeks named it Palestine around 500 BC and Palestine was nothing more than their way of saying Philistine which was the original Egyptian name for the area.

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I have more posts above that which will help you out.

However, what you and Boared are ignoring is also the context of Mamdani which Boared is agreeing with.

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Modern “Palestinian” identity (Arab, with Levantine roots, primarily Muslim/Christian) developed much later, especially in the 19th–20th centuries under Ottoman and British rule. Applying it retroactively to 1st-century Jews is anachronistic.

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People in the region during Mary’s time included Jews, Samaritans, Greeks, Romans, and others. Mary and Jesus were part of the Jewish community in Roman Judea. The land has had many names and overlapping populations over millennia (Canaanites, Israelites, Judeans, etc.), but labeling 1st-century figures as “Palestinian” in the modern national sense does not align with history.
This is similar to not calling ancient Romans “Italians” in the modern nation-state sense. The deep shared Levantine ancestry exists for many groups today, but specific identities are tied to their era.

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But, most importantly, Mary was from Nazareth.

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She was a Jewish woman from Nazareth in Galilee (northern Judea/Israel). The Gospels describe her as a descendant of King David (tribe of Judah), betrothed to Joseph (also of the House of David).

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Nazareth is NOT located in modern day Palestine. That makes the ENTIRETY of the argument moot. The rest is just additional reasoning why she would never be considered a Palestinian.

Damn I loathe all the bickering. It ruins threads

From the 5th Century BC and the "father of history."





I'm sorry that your AI got it wrong. What's interesting is that from the earliest mentions, the Palestinians were described as Jews, although not specifically called that.

So again, Jesus was born in a region known as Palestine for 400+ years before his birth, a region that would officially be named such shortly after his death, and in a country that is to this day called Palestine.

Considering there is a group of Christians living in modern day Palestine to this day, this is actually something Christians should embrace. Because it strengthens their ties to congested land. But as I said before, everyone involved in this is frickin stupid and they fight wars over their stupidity.