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re: Question for pro choice advocates
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:22 pm to BBONDS25
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:22 pm to BBONDS25
quote:There is SOME evidence that a fetus can respond to certain sensory input beginning around 20-24 weeks. Whether that amounts to “feeling pain” is open to question, but also irrelevant ... because the higher brain function necessary to PROCESS that stimuli does not develop until much later AND because most supporters of abortion rights have no problem with banning elective abortion at (or even somewhat before) that same time.
When can a fetus begin to feel pain?
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Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:23 pm to AggieHank86
quote:and i have responded to your repetitious points.
you keep saying this, as well. The OP asked “Why not err on the side of caution?”. That question has been addressed REPEATEDLY.
saying "it's POSSIBLY not a human being because at some ill defined point it doesn't have vaguely defined brain activity as compared to animals" is not in any way, shape or form erring of the side of caution. it completely fails the innocent until proven guilty jurisprudence premise
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:26 pm to bfniii
quote:
you haven't.
I have.
quote:
you googled the word science.
I provided you with a starting point.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:28 pm to AggieHank86
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You keep using this term. Are you attempting to reference the dreaded “slippery slope?”
He just learned it a few days ago and really thought he had something new and original to bring here.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:29 pm to BBONDS25
It's been much more fun watching from the sidelines lately
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:31 pm to BurningHeart
quote:
It's the same argument people were having 6 years ago with gay marriage.
And 70 years ago with the Holocaust.
And 150 years ago with slavery.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:40 pm to bfniii
quote:OK, I finally deciphered what you are trying to say. You are not talking about a “sled test,” which is a mechanical operation in materials testing. You are not talking about the “slippery slope.”
this fails the sled test
You are talking about an acronym (S.L.E.D.) used by some abortion opponents to categorize the arguments of those who support abortion rights. The L apparently stands for arguments based upon the fetus’ Level of Development.
Different rights vest at different levels of development. At 12, a child can essentially pick the home of which parent with whom (s)he will reside. At 15, she can get a learner’s permit, and a driver’s license at 16. Other rights vest at 18, 19 and 21. At 25, your right to run for Congress vests and the same right vests at 30 for Senate. You cannot run for POTUS until age 35.
I see no reason that the negative “right” (I use the quotation marks because no such LEGAL right exists) not to be aborted should not also vest at a particular level of development.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:43 pm to bfniii
quote:No, it is not.quote:no, it's not. you are trying to use a comparison to animals as a justification for killing a human being for convenience. it's a stupid premise.
Thus, (development of sapient-level brain function) IS a potential candidate as the distinguishing factor
If it is NOT acceptable to kill humans, and it is OK to kill other animals, we must determine what factor distinguished humans from other animals and thus affords protection to one and not the other.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:48 pm to bfniii
quote:FINALLY you answer the question. I was beginning to wonder whether you were capable of doing so.quote:this is a human being. it should not be killed because i don't want to deal with the hassle
the simple presence of 23 chromosome pairs
You contend that a human fetus is entitled to legal protection solely based upon species. Thank you.
Now, why? How is OUR species different from our closest cousin (the chimpanzee), and WHY does membership in our species protect us and non-membership NOT protect the chimpanzee? How are WE different from our distant cousin?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:52 pm to bfniii
quote:I understand the debate better than you, but I readily admit that I did not recognize your misuse of the term “sled test” (a term from materials testing) as an attempt to reference an acronym (S.L.E.D.) used internally by a small percentage of those who oppose abortion rights.quote:so you don't even understand the debate. that's what i thought. that's why you keep returning to home base "animal" comparison
You keep using this term (“sled test”). Are you attempting to reference the dreaded “slippery slope?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:59 pm to BurningHeart
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Except for 100% changing her life by having to carry and give birth to a baby she never wanted...
The women who claim having an abortion did not change their lives should be committed to mental institutions. They are clearly psychotic and should be considered threats to themselves and others.
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
You keep using this term. Are you attempting to reference the dreaded “slippery slope?”
He just learned it a few days ago and really thought he had something new and original to bring here.
Come on baw, take a damn break, you’re are ate up defending this baby killing shite.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:03 pm to Bass Tiger
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defending this baby killing shite
I've never done that. Really, all I'm doing is pointing how how silly the OP is. If the arguments are terrible, I'm going to mock them.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:10 pm to bfniii
quote:Because it’s none of my business if a woman is pregnant, and because it’s unconstitutional to make it my business. The government isn’t God; it can’t make everything right.
why wouldn't you err on the side of caution regarding the life of an unborn human being
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:20 pm to TheMailman
quote:party of science folks. Doesn't know the difference between an unfertilized egg, an embryo, fetus, etc
TheMailman
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:22 pm to xiv
quote:very dubious. Row v wade is such a mess legally, souls be overturned just in the fact that it was a garbage decision
because it’s unconstitutional to make it my business
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:24 pm to narddogg81
It’s her business, and it isn’t yours. This thread is littered with boys who are angsty because girls don’t do what they say.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:24 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Until this thread, I had always considered the OP to be just another run-of-the-mill SoCon ... not particularly bright, but likewise not too much dumber than the norm for the breed. This thread has revised that analysis to “truly dumber than dirt.”
Really, all I'm doing is pointing how how silly the OP is. If the arguments are terrible, I'm going to mock them.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:25 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:muh virtue signal. That’s all it is, and it’s all it ever will be.
Come on baw, take a damn break, you’re are ate up defending this baby killing shite.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:41 pm to AggieHank86
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Second, only a VERY small percentage of abortion rights supporters support elective abortion immediately prior to birth.
If that's so, why does it seem those happy few are behind the wheel driving the death-cult caravan down the highway?
Particularly in densely populated bellwethers like New York and California, progressive heralds of a brave new Socialist Amerika leading us to a promised land of, among other things, taxpayer funded unrestricted abortions, mandatory euthanasia, gender and racial self-determination, pre-crime thought crime and "free" government provided education and healthcare for all.
It's little wonder the Left despises the Electoral College and the Founding Fathers and are working tirelessly to do away with it and diminish them.
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