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re: Question for people who remember Watergate
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:56 pm to Dale51
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:56 pm to Dale51
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Well, Nixon actually did something wrong, so there's that.
Way less wrong that Obama, Hillary, Holder and the illegal spying and FISA warrants have done. What is happening in this instance makes Watergate look like Kindergarten play.
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Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:01 pm to ChineseBandit58
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was pissed when Ford pardoned him.
Short of it being such an evil crime that absolutely took your breath away, Jerry Ford did the right thing with that pardon.
The sight of a former President on trial that would go on for a couple more years at least is something so traumatic that would've only divided this country further apart.
The humiliation of being forced to resign in disgrace and go into hiding was pretty much equal to a conviction in a court of law and a prison term.
The Untied States of America had to move on from Nixon.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:02 pm to skinny domino
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Link or links?
Coward
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:06 pm to BBONDS25
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And trump has audio surreptitiously taken of him by his lawyer where he directs any payment made must be legal. Doc...you rarely listen to me....but listen to me on this. This is an EXTREMELY weak case.
I remember Julian Epstein the other night on Shannon Bream's show admitting that it's an extraordinary weak case that he would never bring to trial much less indict and there has never been a successful prosecution of cases like this as much he hated to admit to this.
Epstein was the general counsel for democrats on the house judiciary committee during the Clinton impeachment hearings.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:08 pm to ChineseBandit58
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That was me to a T. Of course, Nixon was being targeted just as Trump is today, but the the social media was not there to bring it to melting point heat. It was inconceivable to me that Nixon would lie - I was really disillusioned after that. I even wanted jail time for him and was pissed when Ford pardoned him. Of course I knew the media was out to get him - I had seen that in person since he ran for gov of California. The media treated him just like they treat Nixon - but they only had the print media to put out one edition a day and a half hour newscast at night to cover all the events of the day. The bias was there, but it was pretty much a blip - you had to be tuned in to realize it. IMHO the bias of the media was solidified when they were able to take down a President of the United States by just hounding him - and every generation of 'journalists' since then has gone to bed with visions of being the next one to take down a POTUS. It became their raison d'être. The emergence of the social media has just given this movement an instantaneous flash point and multitudes of demented illiterates to storm the gates.
All of this is spot on except that journalists go to bed dreaming about taking down a Republican president. They’d never give one thought to investigating a Democrat. We have ample proof of that over the last 35 years.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:10 pm to Sentrius
IF the payment was a crime, and that is a BIG if...to tie it to trump and prove beyond a reasonable doubt he met all of the requirements, including specific intent... is near impossible. The recording alone is plenty. Add in that a history of NDAs and the reimbursement etc etc etc.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:12 pm to TigerDoc
quote:so you like it better when only one side has their paid liars?
e also didn't have Fox News, AM talk radio, and the general right-wing mediatainment complex. Trump has some assets he didn't.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:12 pm to BBONDS25
But of course that's not going to stop SDNY and Mueller from using court fillings and plea deals to embarrass the President by airing as much dirty gossip as they can.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:29 pm to redneck hippie
I was too young to vote in 68 but we had had enough of the Johnson presidency so I was hoping Nixon would win. The silly part is, Nixon was a shoe in in 72 and this was such a stupid thing to do with such a huge lead. But, Nixon was paranoid and had to have every advantage he could muster. Had they not covered it up and I don't remember the Bebe Rebozo connection but there some illegal stuff going on with that. They used satchels of money to quiet the burglars. I don't know that they could have survived had they just said; "yep, the committee to elect paid for the break in". I'm not sure it would have come close to the outcome without Deep Throat feeding Woodward and Bernstein critical information.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:33 pm to redneck hippie
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I've read Nixon thought the media was out to get him.
Yes he did. Nixon was one of the most insecure, paranoid people who ever lived in the WH. He had a severe inferiority complex too from what's been written about him. And Watergate was FAR from the only thing he did. He basically committed treason during the 1968 election by getting the South Vietnamese to hold out for a "better deal" that he would give them, during the time the Johnson administration was conducting peace talks with the North Vietnamese and trying to end the war. And the "better deal" Nixon and Kissinger gave the South Vietnamese was a royal screwing four years later. Nixon's crew was also responsible for forging the "Canuck letter" that was blamed on Muskee. Nixon didn't want to run against him in 1972 since he would have been a tougher opponent than the guy Nixon really wanted to run against, McGovern.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 12/19/18 at 8:31 pm to redneck hippie
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thanks Wolfhound and TigerDoc. that's a straightforward answer.
That's the answer you wanted.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:41 pm to Centinel
Like I said ...
It's about people who are emotionally invested in some sort of cause. That cause can be anything, Trump needn't be involved at all with respect to OP's question.
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He asked if supporters tend to draw up protectively when attacked.
It's about people who are emotionally invested in some sort of cause. That cause can be anything, Trump needn't be involved at all with respect to OP's question.
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