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re: Question for Devil Worshippers about Satan
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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So how do you know there is no God??.....I don't.
So you're just as big a fool and zealot as someone who believes, given your passionate participation in these threads....
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:46 pm to Rex Feral
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The world we live in is proof enough for me that God exists and His law is word.
It's internal things for me.
The most powerful force In the universe is inside you. The world is irrelevant.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Agnostics don't believe nor do they deny They just don't know, which is faaar more honest than atheism.
Well I was asking him. Most Atheist believe there is no God and they are sure of what they believe.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:49 pm to cwill
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This is why these threads are dumb and pointless.
No one asked you to read it.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:50 pm to Rex Feral
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No one asked you to read it.
Impulse problems....
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:51 pm to CoyoteSong
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Most Atheist believe there is no God and they are sure of what they believe.
Most atheists are kids who couldn't define agnosticism if you had pictures.
It's their club.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:25 pm to CoyoteSong
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So do you believe in God?
No.
Antireligious agnosticism probably comes closest to my thoughts, although I don't think that's a perfect description.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:26 pm to Rex Feral
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I disagree. I'm one of the most question everything and trust no one people you'll meet.
A lot of conservative Christians are, right up until you tell them their god said it.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:33 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:There are a lot of Christians that don't think through what they believe and why they believe it. Not all Christians are that way, but recognize that everyone has to go back to an ultimate authority or cause. For the Christian, that is God.
A lot of conservative Christians are, right up until you tell them their god said it.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:50 pm to FooManChoo
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There are a lot of Christians that don't think through what they believe and why they believe it.
Correct, not all of them work as hard as others to explain away inconsistencies and rationalize their beliefs in the face of reality.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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right up until you tell them their god said it.
Humor me...
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:52 pm to Rex Feral
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Humor me...
Do you believe your god is an objective authority on human morality?
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Do you believe your god is an objective authority on human morality?
This accounting degree stunted my vocabulary skillz, but I'll assume you're asking is God's word the end all be all regarding how His creation should act. I would say yes.
I see where you're going with this and there were a lot of bad things in the Old Testament that I don't understand. My inability to understand God's actions does not negate His law.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 2:30 pm to FooManChoo
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I don’t believe it but that verse says YHWH your LORD creates evil. To deny that is cherry-picking as you say. The Bible is filled with contradictions. Go ahead and cherry-pick the ones that sort of say YHWH is the only god. There aren’t many but go ahead. Your feeble mind confuses boasts of incomparability with denial of existence. “There’s no god beside me” meaning there are no gods on the side of him at his level- that he has no equal.
This excerpt from psalm 89 is another of the plethora of boasts of incomparability found in the Bible, just as an example.
5Let the heavens praise your wonders, O LORD,
your faithfulness in the assembly of the holy ones!
6For who in the skies can be compared to the LORD?
Who among the heavenly beings is like the LORD,
7a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones,
and awesome above all who are around him?
8O LORD God of hosts,
who is mighty as you are, O LORD,
with your faithfulness all around you?
Deny all the other versus referring other deities if that’s what makes you happy. There’s probably 100 fold many versus making reference to other gods that you choose to ignore because it doesn’t fit your theology.
Wrong there. Just like there was no historical Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, etc. All fabricated. There’s no way for me to convince you. Most biblical scholars are atheists - for someone a couple standard deviations above average IQ actually reading and comprehending the Bible there’s generally no way they can believe the subject matter. There’s also this thing called archaeology and paleontology. Did you know modern Homo sapiens evolved in Africa hundreds of thousands of years ago?
Sounds like they don’t include it because there’s an agenda to disconnect the scene from the scapegoat sacrifice ritual.
Just remember Deut 32:8. That’s probably my favorite verse of the whole Bible. El Elyon, chief Canaanite deity and creator of the universe, gives his sons divine kingship of the nations of the Earth. YHWH’s portion was Jacob - Israel was the lot of his inheritance. If you read that passage and disregard the “sons of El” and the whole inheritance thing, and think that one can inherit something from oneself, then you are a grade-A retard. It’s one thing to not be sure or to be confused, but you’ll sit there reading the plain language and ignore it, and go cherry-pick other versus (contradictions) saying El Elyon and YHWH and El Shaddai are the same (they were not the same).
Psalm 82 is a great complement to Deut 32:8-9. In Deut is describes how YHWH got Israel from his father El Elyon. In psalm 82 it’s a poem with the subject matter being the writer’s desire for YHWH eventually judging all the other gods (plain text gods, in plural form, which you deny, since you are a cherry-picker) and inheriting all the nations.
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Check Isaiah 45:7. Is that what you believe? Is that where you believe morality comes from.
I don’t believe it but that verse says YHWH your LORD creates evil. To deny that is cherry-picking as you say. The Bible is filled with contradictions. Go ahead and cherry-pick the ones that sort of say YHWH is the only god. There aren’t many but go ahead. Your feeble mind confuses boasts of incomparability with denial of existence. “There’s no god beside me” meaning there are no gods on the side of him at his level- that he has no equal.
This excerpt from psalm 89 is another of the plethora of boasts of incomparability found in the Bible, just as an example.
5Let the heavens praise your wonders, O LORD,
your faithfulness in the assembly of the holy ones!
6For who in the skies can be compared to the LORD?
Who among the heavenly beings is like the LORD,
7a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones,
and awesome above all who are around him?
8O LORD God of hosts,
who is mighty as you are, O LORD,
with your faithfulness all around you?
Deny all the other versus referring other deities if that’s what makes you happy. There’s probably 100 fold many versus making reference to other gods that you choose to ignore because it doesn’t fit your theology.
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Even the most unbelieving scholars don’t deny the existence of the historical Jesus. You are behind the times.
Wrong there. Just like there was no historical Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, etc. All fabricated. There’s no way for me to convince you. Most biblical scholars are atheists - for someone a couple standard deviations above average IQ actually reading and comprehending the Bible there’s generally no way they can believe the subject matter. There’s also this thing called archaeology and paleontology. Did you know modern Homo sapiens evolved in Africa hundreds of thousands of years ago?
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which is why most English translations don’t include that name. But even if it is true, it is entirely irrelevant.
Sounds like they don’t include it because there’s an agenda to disconnect the scene from the scapegoat sacrifice ritual.
Just remember Deut 32:8. That’s probably my favorite verse of the whole Bible. El Elyon, chief Canaanite deity and creator of the universe, gives his sons divine kingship of the nations of the Earth. YHWH’s portion was Jacob - Israel was the lot of his inheritance. If you read that passage and disregard the “sons of El” and the whole inheritance thing, and think that one can inherit something from oneself, then you are a grade-A retard. It’s one thing to not be sure or to be confused, but you’ll sit there reading the plain language and ignore it, and go cherry-pick other versus (contradictions) saying El Elyon and YHWH and El Shaddai are the same (they were not the same).
Psalm 82 is a great complement to Deut 32:8-9. In Deut is describes how YHWH got Israel from his father El Elyon. In psalm 82 it’s a poem with the subject matter being the writer’s desire for YHWH eventually judging all the other gods (plain text gods, in plural form, which you deny, since you are a cherry-picker) and inheriting all the nations.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 2:31 pm to Rex Feral
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I would say yes.
Right, which is the point...
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I see where you're going with this
It doesn't seem that you do.
You said:
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I'm one of the most question everything and trust no one people you'll meet.
That isn't true when it comes to "god said."
Posted on 12/28/22 at 2:35 pm to Squirrelmeister
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The Bible is filled with contradictions.
The book of Job is one massive contradiction.
Spirituality is individual, not collective. No book written by human hand is perfect. Every person has the direct ability to touch the divine without this Interface.
I found truth for myself after separating from mans religion.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 2:50 pm to Squirrelmeister
Your posts are interesting, but I detect a tendency to use the biblical translation of any verse which is most-contrary to orthodox Christian views and to act as if that translation is the ONLY interpretation.
Your analysis of Deuteronomy 32.8 is a perfect example. Only a couple of the translations see a reference to dividing humanity into nations based upon the number of "gods."
In context, that translation and/or interpretation may indeed make the most SENSE, but you tend to skip the analysis necessary to SHOW that it makes more sense than the others.
Your analysis of Deuteronomy 32.8 is a perfect example. Only a couple of the translations see a reference to dividing humanity into nations based upon the number of "gods."
In context, that translation and/or interpretation may indeed make the most SENSE, but you tend to skip the analysis necessary to SHOW that it makes more sense than the others.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 3:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Some of us realize that reality is only possible due to the God of the Bible, and therefore work hard to understand how the claims of the Bible support the reality that we live in in the face of ignorant, wishful skepticism that some like yourself provide.
Correct, not all of them work as hard as others to explain away inconsistencies and rationalize their beliefs in the face of reality.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 3:12 pm to FooManChoo
Foo, I know that you are genuine in your beliefs, but think a minute about what you just said.
You are describing a situation in which you decide what you want the outcome to be, then seek out only the evidence which supports it, rather than evaluating the evidence objectively and letting the results fall where they may.
Additionally, most of the evidence you "accept" comes from the very text that you are seeking to "prove." Essentially, you say "We know that everything in Chapter 3 is true, because Chapter 8 says so."
Surely you understand that many rational people would not be comfortable with that approach. It is a wonderful way to confirm one’s preconceptions, but as an investigative tool, it is somewhat lacking.
You are describing a situation in which you decide what you want the outcome to be, then seek out only the evidence which supports it, rather than evaluating the evidence objectively and letting the results fall where they may.
Additionally, most of the evidence you "accept" comes from the very text that you are seeking to "prove." Essentially, you say "We know that everything in Chapter 3 is true, because Chapter 8 says so."
Surely you understand that many rational people would not be comfortable with that approach. It is a wonderful way to confirm one’s preconceptions, but as an investigative tool, it is somewhat lacking.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 12/28/22 at 3:21 pm to FooManChoo
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Some of us realize that reality is only possible due to the God of the Bible
Claim...you don't "realize" anything. You simply make the claim, and work in the opposite direction to justify it to yourself.
Once you've done that, you try to spread it to others. On some, it works, because they're looking for something similar. On those who possess epistemic curiosity, it's almost entirely ineffective.
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