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Putin's Long Game

Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:30 pm
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:30 pm
Excellent article. I won't editorialize. It will answer some questions that we are all asking and its very complicated, however, the writer does a great job.

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But the wider battle is more subtle, a war of subversion rather than domination. The recent interference in the American elections means that these shadow tactics have now been deployed – with surprising effectiveness – not just against American allies, but against America itself. And the only way forward for America and the West is to embrace the spirit of the age that Putin has created, plow through the chaos, and focus on building what comes next.

President-elect Trump has characteristics that can aid him in defining what comes next. He is, first and foremost, a rule-breaker, not quantifiable by metrics we know. In a time of inconceivable change, that can be an incredible asset. He comes across as a straight talker, and he can be blunt with the American people about the threats we face. He is a man of many narratives, and can find a way to sell these decisions to the American people. He believes in strength, and knows hard power is necessary.

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To understand the shift underway in the world, and to stop being outmaneuvered, we first need to see the Russian state for what it really is. Twenty-five years ago, the Soviet Union collapsed. This freed the Russian security state from its last constraints. In 1991, there were around 800,000 official KGB agents in Russia. They spent a decade reorganizing themselves into the newly-minted FSB, expanding and absorbing other instruments of power, including criminal networks, other security services, economic interests, and parts of the political elite. They rejected the liberal, democratic Russia that President Boris Yeltsin was trying to build.

Following the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings that the FSB almost certainly planned, former FSB director Vladimir Putin was installed as President. We should not ignore the significance of these events. An internal operation planned by the security services killed hundreds of Russian citizens. It was used as the pretext to re-launch a bloody, devastating internal war led by emergent strongman Putin. Tens of thousands of Chechen civilians and fighters and Russian conscripts died. The narrative was controlled to make the enemy clear and Putin victorious. This information environment forced a specific political objective: Yeltsin resigned and handed power to Putin on New Year’s Eve 1999.

From beginning to end, the operation took three months. This is how the Russian security state shook off the controls of political councils or representative democracy. This is how it thinks and how it acts — then, and now. Blood or war might be required, but controlling information and the national response to that information is what matters. Many Russians, scarred by the unrelenting economic, social, and security hardship of the 1990s, welcomed the rise of the security state, and still widely support it, even as it has hollowed out the Russian economy and civic institutions. Today, as a result, Russia is little more than a ghastly hybrid of an overblown police state and a criminal network with an economy the size of Italy — and the world’s largest nuclear arsenal.
Posted by TidenUP
Coden, AL
Member since Apr 2011
14680 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:32 pm to
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The recent interference


Posted by Phil2012
The planet
Member since Dec 2005
6213 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:32 pm to
This all basically old news...that is if one studies anything about the Eastern World...just saying...
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21638 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:37 pm to
None of this is true though, because it would be stupid to not work with Russia.

Right?

Russia is our friend and would never do anything to harm us. They were looking out for America's best interests by exposing corruption in the DNC so we would not stupidly be tempted to elect Hillary. This is what we are being told. I agree with Russia there. She was horrible. But, I'm not sure we needed Russia's help to know that. Still, they pitched in anyway, it seems.

So, now we have a president who has some kind of affinity for Putin and Russia. That is very clear. Whether he is trying to keep his enemy close and control Putin is up for grabs. Who knows? We'll see what Trump's ultimate plan is. But, to pretend that Russia is not a threat to America is just ludicrous.

Stupid, even.
Posted by TidenUP
Coden, AL
Member since Apr 2011
14680 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:38 pm to
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Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:40 pm to
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But, to pretend that Russia is not a threat to America is just ludicrous.
How is Russia a threat to the United States and my way of life?
This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 5:41 pm
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:46 pm to
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The recent interference


Exhibit A


Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
80678 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:46 pm to
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How is Russia a threat to the United States and my way of life?


They aren't. The Soviet Union was bent on world conquest. Russian nationalists are more interested in their own neighborhood.

Putin wants us to quit meddling in Syria. Which we should do anyway.
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 5:57 pm to
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information warfare is not about creating an alternate truth, but eroding our basic ability to distinguish truth at all. It is not “propaganda” as we’ve come to think of it, but the less obvious techniques known in Russia as “active measures” and “reflexive control”. Both are designed to make us, the targets, act against our own best interests.
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:02 pm to
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Russia is our friend and would never do anything to harm us.


Hoping this is satire.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70374 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:02 pm to
Russia has been running the long con for decades. They use their propaganda arm to support socialist policies and anti-militarism in countries abroad. They then back minority groups and splinter groups within those countries to foster racial and ethnic tension. This tension and economic stagnation weakens them from within, and causes them to cut back on military spending, making them vulnerable to a rapid tank offensive. They also use their propaganda to slow investments in American oil and gas exploration and LNG to keep the west dependent on their oil.

On the economic front, they use their influence in the Middle East to protect their monopoly on pipelines into Europe. This gives them a trump card on negotiations because they can cut off heating oil and natural gas to Europe during the winter and watch them freeze until Europe gives Russia what it wants. They use their foreign policy in the Middle East to prevent pipelines being built directly to the West which would bypass them.

The next step is to test NATO. They pick a fight with a lesser NATO nation and see if NATO will respond. If not, they annex them. They continue to build up their military until they can simply steamroll the West fast enough that their tanks have captured Paris before American forces and comprehensive air sorties can stop them from taking the continent.

Russia's problem was U.S. fracking causing the price of oil to tank. Russia's energy-based economy collapsed. Their attempts to stop fracking failed. Their attempts to stop LNG look to be failing, as many terminals are coming online. Their attempts to stop pipelines from Canada to the new LNG facilities has been partially successful. Their attempts to stop pipelines from the Middle East straight to Europe have succeeded.

However, they could not afford Clinton, who would use war to secure that last pipeline, to be elected. They don't want a war. So, despite opposing Trump on U.S. energy exploration, they backed him to avoid war.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39822 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:04 pm to
Let's be clear,the Mongolians hate the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the RPI, the Indians, all hate the Chinese. It would be very beneficial to establish a "relationship" with the Russians. We may very well need each another one day.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:10 pm to
China has a viable economy and a future, Russia has neither. It's dumb to be friends with Russia they bring nothing but a self serving agenda to the table.

Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30274 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:10 pm to
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Putin wants us to quit meddling in Syria. Which we should do anyway.


All this right here.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39822 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:18 pm to
The Chinese economy is a Party manipulated house of cards, when the N Koreans start the next Asia-Pacific War and the Chinese rush to save their retarded little cousins, were going to need all the help we can get.
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:19 pm to
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China has a viable economy and a future, Russia has neither. It's dumb to be friends with Russia they bring nothing but a self serving agenda to the table.


The last thing Putin wants is for China and the US to have good relations. Friendly trade between the 2 greatest economic powers of the world would furthur sequester Russia. Being significant on the world scene by being a thorn in the side of the US and Western Europe keeps Putin relevant.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21638 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:32 pm to
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How is Russia a threat to the United States and my way of life?


How is any nation? Especially one with a considerable military, international reach, the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons of all other nations, and a despot running the country? And, they like to involve themselves in foreign conflicts. Plus, they have a lot of oil.

I mean, you could make the case that NO country is a threat to America and our way of life. But, that would lead you down the road of saying that America is ascendant and that it stands unrivaled by any other nation or group of nations. So, what is all of the Make America Great Again talk? Where are the threats coming from anyway?

Russia is a threat when they behave as one. When a foreign nation interferes in our electoral process, they aren't doing it to help us out. So, why are they doing it? Answer that question and you'll know what kind of threat they are. If you care.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
13216 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:36 pm to
We have a huge trade imbalance w/ China, we are losing jobs to them, and they are stealing our military technology and intellectual property. Finally, they are seeking to dominate the Pacific Ocean and Asia. They are the real threat.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 6:53 pm to
Yeah but the Trumpanzees don't see it, ignorance and bliss and what have you
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
10133 posts
Posted on 1/7/17 at 9:11 pm to
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So, now we have a president who has some kind of affinity for Putin and Russia. That is very clear. Whether he is trying to keep his enemy close and control Putin is up for grabs. Who knows?


He's trying to do what's in America's best interest, to fabricate another narrative is ludicrous.

Stupid, even.
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