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re: Putin: Western Liberalism Has Outlived It's Purpose

Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28158 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:14 pm to
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did you know that many 3rd world countries have anti-abortion laws


Is that why you want an open border, to give "asylum seekers" abortions??
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18702 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:14 pm to
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What policies do Democrats support that make you say this.


Let’s see, let’s maybe start with the whole confiscation of guns with an executive order?
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:15 pm to
They want full control of healthcare, education, and want all of those things for people that dont live in the country

And they're gonna make the citizens pay for it whether they like it or not

Oh and let's take your scary guns, tax capital gains through the roof, tax the dead more, and expand the govt in general

Sounds like a damn dictatorship to me
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42338 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:21 pm to
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I bet you've tricked yourself into believing that TDS is just something the Right fabricated 


It has been my experience that people with mental health issues sometimes justify their behavior by rationalizing that behavior. In short, it allows them to deny that they have mental health issue.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 1:51 pm
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:28 pm to
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We are almost if not already there having our own Marxist leaders. 
Did you watch any of the 2 debates this week?


I heard the debates.

I suppose we just have different definitions of Marxism. Nothing the Democrats suggested other than gun rights was a breach of what could be considered constitutional. The other thing to remember is that the more extreme laws will only be enforced in Blie states.
Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
4733 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:39 pm to
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Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:46 pm to
We truly live in the bizzaro universe.

The President of Russia is talking about upholding traditional Christian values and the Democratic party in the US is advocating for socialism and the defacto dissolving of the US as a country.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:50 pm to
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They want full control of healthcare, education, and want all of those things for people that dont live in the country



Healthcare is one of those things that's never going to have a solution that pleases everyone. We don't want to use a Western European style, so we have to deal with the fluctuations of a capitalist system. Not sure how you deal with it.

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Oh and let's take your scary guns, tax capital gains through the roof, tax the dead more, and expand the govt in general 


Capital gains dont get taxed like income. So its probable that if you live off capital gains, you are actually being taxed LESS (as a percentage) than a standard 9 to 5 employee.

The issue you face with capital gains and estate taxes is that it comes off as a pet issue for the rich. Most people will NEVER have those problems directly. It isnt a matter of "jealousy" as much as a matter of people don't see how it benefits them.

Personally, if dont care about it. Keep it low or eliminate it.

Dont be melodramatic like the Left you dislike. The Democrats just want more social programs, that's nothing new. The only thing thats concerning is the gun rights debate.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:07 pm to
I have more time to now comment on this, but it's amazing to me how Putin's propaganda is eaten up by some. The Western liberal order has been responsible for lots of good, and the authoritarian order that Putin embodies is going to lead to lots more violence and death. The issues liberalism has had to deal with have to do with a demographic situation, which authoritarianism of Putin cannot deal with either. The alternatives to liberalism are going to disenfranchise lots of people, in a literal way, as all those alternatives, as of yet, are still authoritarian. I'm skeptical that Putin is suggesting returning to the imperial system, which could account for a wide range of demographics by simply asking for tribute, and then leaving those group to their own devices. The modern world requires a degree of centralization that would throw and did throw that imperial system into disorder.

Western liberalism isn't perfect, but I'd rather stay with it, and attempt to fix it, rather than choose any type of authoritarianism.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:08 pm to
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Republicans love their authoritarians.

You can see it in Trump too. He luvs his global strongmen.



Nice deflection. Especially from a commie.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:12 pm to
The EU immigration issues are very real, but you have to think about what alternatives are offered. It's easier to fix Western liberalism than to adopt an entirely new system, or in Putin's case, return to an older, well-worn system that already had its heyday in the West (except for America).

No one, anywhere, has spoken about how the refugee system created in the aftermath of WWII is broken, and has been broken since 1991, at the minimum. Fixing that will go some ways to fixing some of Western liberalism's discontents. But that would require extranational organizations to impose solutions that would, by necessity, overtake national sovereignty issues, and would almost assuredly screw West Asian and Eastern European countries in some significant way.

Attempting to fix those issues is still a better alternative to the path offered by Putin, MBS, Assad, and this new class of gangster authoritarians.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20636 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:21 pm to
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Is he right?
You have to ask this?

Are you a libtard or have you not been keeping up?
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:22 pm to
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This is the type of ignorance we've come to enjoy from the left. That just because Putin says something, we must automatically oppose it. Even if Putin said it tongue in cheek as the above poster claims, we must still be against it. Their ignorance is so important, it must be bolded. 


It really doesn't matter what Putin says. Just like it doesn't matter what our allies like Britain say.

What does matter is: Do they practice what they preach? Putin is well known to be shady, hes a byproduct of living in what was once the premier Socialist nation of the world. A joust at the Democrats isnt enough to break that history.

Another thing about his comment and the posters response in here: do you honestly believe the United was founded to be a Christian nation. Seems odd that US was never given a "official religion" in Constitution.

I'm of the position that the United States was meant to be governed SECULARLY. And I acknowledge that the US has Christian roots, but our government is a Republic not a theocracy.

The beauty of American exceptionalism is that we are influenced by different philosophies but not bound to them. Allowing gays to marry us something Americans decide, not a holy book.

This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 2:23 pm
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:22 pm to
He's not wrong.

We've gone way too far.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:25 pm to
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Republicans love their authoritarians.


Yet it's Democrats suppressing and censoring free speech everywhere they're in control.

It's Democrats who want "muh govt" in charge of every aspect of my life.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
16987 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:28 pm to
Today's liberals are not liberals at all. A liberal would never advocate for a totalitarian government and that seems to be all they want.

They are more like a cross between Nazis and communist dictators
Posted by pizzatiger
Member since Apr 2019
274 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:32 pm to
Putin is a master of sowing discontent. It's proven an effective strategy to satisfy nefarious aims. Here is no exception.
Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
4733 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:36 pm to
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Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
4733 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:40 pm to
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Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/28/19 at 2:40 pm to
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Just because somebody is pro-(something I like) doesnt make them or their government good.
Obviously

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As an example, did you know that many 3rd world countries have anti-abortion laws?
Obviously

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What policies do Democrats support that make you say this.

On free speech alone, Putin and today's left are virtually indistinguishable.

And, they do it for the same reason. They don't believe their opposition should even exist. Their opposition is nothing but a bunch of deplorable haters who don't deserve to be allowed to speak.

Putin and AOC are basically the same fricking person.
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