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re: Putin prepared to go scorched earth
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:00 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:00 pm to jimmy the leg
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Stipulations were put in place that took a while to address. They stepped up.
Nonetheless, this was 100% related to opportunity.
You are hand-waving away an complex political process that required the complete adoption of market principles, as if that task in a former Communist country wasn't monumental. The restructuring of the entire state apparatus was required and in addition, the military apparatus had to be reorganized. That's a long-term commitment, the scale of which shouldn't be underrated.
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:00 pm to jonnyanony
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He's been vocal about restoration of former ussr territories for decades, I don't know why any of it's surprising to anyone at this point.
So the threat of Ukraine joining NATO was not a factor. The threat of Ukraine overrunning the Donbass in Mar of 2022 was not a factor? The deaths of 14,000+ Russian civilians in the Donbass from 2014 to present was not a factor?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:01 pm to THog
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You'll have to ask Monroe if a foothold in southern Chili was considered a threat? Is Russia moving back into Cuba?
Both were considered threats.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:01 pm to Tigers2010a
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So the threat of Ukraine joining NATO was not a factor. The threat of Ukraine overrunning the Donbass in Mar of 2022 was not a factor? The deaths of 14,000+ Russian civilians in the Donbass from 2014 to present was not a factor?
Which post did I say any of this?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:02 pm to crazy4lsu
Is Russia a threat to Americans now? Is Russia a threat to NATO (of which America is a member)? If America had stayed out of an eastern European issue, would Russia be a threat to America?
Is America a global power that is called on (or milked) to fight Europe's battles? Would the Monroe Doctrine apply in the case of Ukraine? Would America be better off as a sovereign nation?
Do alliances with Europe hurt America? Financially while Europe doesn't pay their share? Does NATO drag America into needless costs of money and lives for Europe's benefit? Should America continue to prop up and defend Europe? Countries that do not fight or fund their own battles? Am I paying my light bill or also subsidizing a Germans light bill? So europeans can bitch at me about clean energy and the climate?
Is America a global power that is called on (or milked) to fight Europe's battles? Would the Monroe Doctrine apply in the case of Ukraine? Would America be better off as a sovereign nation?
Do alliances with Europe hurt America? Financially while Europe doesn't pay their share? Does NATO drag America into needless costs of money and lives for Europe's benefit? Should America continue to prop up and defend Europe? Countries that do not fight or fund their own battles? Am I paying my light bill or also subsidizing a Germans light bill? So europeans can bitch at me about clean energy and the climate?
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:03 pm to jonnyanony
Putin wanted to be part of nato. Said no, then flirted w Ukraine via Joe Biden and now Ukraine is destroyed when Russia told them not to flirt w US or nato.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:04 pm to momentoftruth87
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Putin wanted to be part of nato.
Possibly. It was stated and brought up when RFed was at its weakest but the game has changed on both sides.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:04 pm to Tigers2010a
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The deaths of 14,000+ Russian civilians in the Donbass from 2014 to present was not a factor?
Is there any real source on this? It is somewhat odd that Russian sources didn't seem to mention this between 2015-2018, when I followed them closely.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:04 pm to crazy4lsu
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But the US still had excess industrial capacity, which was a serious enough concern that Fillmore sent Perry to open up Japan, through force if necessary. That was also the underlying reason for Hamilton Fish's Latin American tour during the 1870's, because consistent access to markets was paramount to US political economy.
I don’t disagree with the above, but I disagree with your initial take.
Hence - associated.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:04 pm to momentoftruth87
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Putin wanted to be part of nato.
Nah, not seriously.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:05 pm to deeprig9
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It's the white knighting from the left for Ukraine that really disturbs me.
It's not just the left.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:05 pm to TigerFanatic99
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rooting for no one. frick Ukraine, and frick Russia too. Both are shitholes of corruption that the world would be better off without.
Well that's nice and also naive. Also kinda shortsighted and ignorant.
You realize your choices, correct?
One is you do nothing. Because you hate both of them.
In that world, Russia steamrolls them and annexes the entire country.
That's makes Russia stronger. And a stronger Russia makes the United States marginally weaker. Not weaker than Russia. We would still be the superpower. But as enjoyed get stronger, unless we also increase our strength, that gap lessens.
Anyway, what happens over there does impact us here.
And I understand you would like to bury your head on the same and ignore the whole issue. And you could do that. But doing that had consequences
Just understand the consequences and think through things if Russia gets stronger.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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The deaths of 14,000+ Russian civilians in the Donbass from 2014 to present was not a factor?
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Is there any real source on this?
Good question.
Now about the 10k Russia prisoners recently taken...
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:07 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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It's not just the left.
True, but that thread is a leftist circle jerk for the most part.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:07 pm to boosiebadazz
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And this is still about “Nazis”, right?
It doesn’t matter when the left baselessly mislabels everyone as being nazis. Why does it matter if Putin does?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:08 pm to ragincajun03
Like watching auburn and tenn play each other
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:10 pm to thetempleowl
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Just understand the consequences and think through things if Russia gets stronger.
While this is true, it also should be noted that we are spending a frick ton of money, we are weakening our military in the process, and China has been the decided beneficiary of this conflict.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:11 pm to trinidadtiger
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NATO could have listened to the warnings from Russia for the past two decades. How would you react if a military force, SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO FIGHT YOU, kept advancing further and further into your sphere.
Strange how everyone wants to ally with Russia’s enemies
Evidence please of the innocents killed by Ukraine in Donbas. Now Russian armed rebels in Ukrainian territory, sure. Which I have no problem with. You are a piece of shite
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:12 pm to jonnyanony
See your quote->
You are suggesting this is simple aggression while ignoring:
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He's been vocal about restoration of former ussr territories for decades, I don't know why any of it's surprising to anyone at this point.
You are suggesting this is simple aggression while ignoring:
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So the threat of Ukraine joining NATO was not a factor. The threat of Ukraine overrunning the Donbass in Mar of 2022 was not a factor? The deaths of 14,000+ Russian civilians in the Donbass from 2014 to present was not a factor?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:13 pm to jimmy the leg
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Hence - associated.
But balance of payments were the same used in international markets. Foreign loans were provided initially to US states in 1777. The founding of the Treasury in 1789 also in effect gave the US a direct means of establishing credit in international markets. Access to international markets and the relative demand of US goods drove a number of internal policies in the US, from land use to expansion of the US to immigration. It's not some obscure thing.
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