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re: Protestors and the Silent Majority - we have been doing this wrong, look at the numbers
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:17 am to Scruffy
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:17 am to Scruffy
Yes, and in the same stroke, free up money to help with addiction problems, other programs (if that is your argument for not wanting drugs decriminalized or more).
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Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:18 am to Scruffy
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We didn’t learn anything from the era of prohibition.
Or the Portugal model, apparently
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:18 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Can you provide some examples of the needed reforms? It seems to me the only "reform" being discussed is the abolition of police departments. We may get a glimpse of this if/when PD's across the country have had enough and go on strike.
Less militant is a great start. This is America, they’re not in the Middle East.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:19 am to Scruffy
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Remove the illegal drug trade and you would likely see a reduction in drug dealing and the crimes associated with it.
A lot of non-druggie victims would disagree with your premise.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:19 am to Antonio Moss
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And, again, even with the crime rate figures, you are still talking about an incredibly small number of people.
And that may be true. But just the optics of what the local media shows, accurate or not, is what the conservative community believes to be true and does not help the reform argument.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:19 am to Antonio Moss
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This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:20 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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So your solution is to lessen the penalties for criminals,
Yes, especially for non-violent crimes. We should rarely imprison a non-violent offender.
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but make them harsher for law enforcement that may do something wrong?
Yes. Because when a law enforcement officer is breaking the law they are also violating the public trust. Law enforcement is government and government must be held to higher level of accountability.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:20 am to Apollyon
quote:Is it your stance that prohibition didn’t result in significant increases in crime?
A lot of non-druggie victims would disagree with your premise.
How is that scenario any different?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:21 am to fr33manator
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Bang a speedball, probably
Paid for with counterfeit money.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:21 am to Antonio Moss
Alcohol is legal again. But for some reason murder still happens?
Omg, what is happening?
Oh noz!
Legalize everthing!
Omg, what is happening?
Oh noz!
Legalize everthing!
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:21 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Which is all about the coverage. Just like the protests. 3% of local population takes to the streets, 99% of the media air time.
And, again, even with the crime rate figures, you are still talking about an incredibly small number of people.
Media reform is much needed too. Remove their immunities, tighten what is allowable. Just look at the destruction media has wrought, and on children at that. Doxxing kids, knowingly and willfully smearing them, outright lying about public figures since that standard is higher.
Police reform AND media reform are both badly needed.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:21 am to Scruffy
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If that were the case, statements such as “all lives matter” would not have such a negative connotation.
It has a negative connotation because it is dismissive (and simple).
I know we are going in circles here.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:21 am to Scruffy
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it your stance that prohibition didn’t result in significant increases in crime?
Of course it did.
Pan legalization will not change murder culture, that is stupid thinking
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 10:22 am
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:24 am to Antonio Moss
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it is dismissive (and simple).
The truth often is.
The sky is blue. Simple and dismissive.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:24 am to Apollyon
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Alcohol is legal again. But for some reason murder still happens?
Do you view everything in life as a binary 1 or 0?
Violent crime rates, across the board, rose during prohibition and then fell dramatically after.
Crime rates and basically every other negative social indicator fell after Portugal decriminalized drug use.
Just because they didn’t fall to zero didn’t mean they didn’t have a positive effect.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:24 am to Antonio Moss
I will take dismissive over racist and hypocritical all day.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:24 am to Apollyon
quote:You aren’t making any sense.
Alcohol is legal again. But for some reason murder still happens?
Omg, what is happening?
Oh noz!
Legalize everthing!
Prohibition resulted in a flourishing illegal black market for alcohol with resulting spikes in murder and other criminal activities related to that.
They all decreased and the mobs were heavily neutered because they removed one of their most profitable cash sources by making alcohol legal.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:24 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Last weekend there was 84 shootings and 24 deaths in Chicago last weekend. Over 25 shootings this weekend so far.
Where is BLM when their Brothers are dying in the streets by the hands of their other brothers ?
My message to BLM, clean up your own neighborhoods before you force your agenda on everyone else.
Defunding the Police is the mindset of ignorant people.
Where is BLM when their Brothers are dying in the streets by the hands of their other brothers ?
My message to BLM, clean up your own neighborhoods before you force your agenda on everyone else.
Defunding the Police is the mindset of ignorant people.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:24 am to Sidicous
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Media reform is much needed too. Remove their immunities, tighten what is allowable
Best piece of advice I’ve ever read on this board
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:25 am to Darth_Vader
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Until the truth of this is admitted the “change” that so many claim they want will never happen. This is why I don’t take any of these leftist movements seriously. Deep down they know this as well as the rest of us. But it doesn’t fit the narrative so they ignore it. This proves they’re only interested in advancing their progressive agenda.
Did you actually think we were going to “drain the swamp” in 2016 too?
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