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re: ‘Propaganda’: Top MIT Climate Scientist Trashes ‘97% Consensus’ Claim

Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:37 pm to
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112456 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:37 pm to
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Green and renewables are the future and I think we all know it deep down


The same thing was said about alchemy for about 1,000 years. They just needed more time.
Let the market rule. The market says solar and wind =
shite.

That's why they can't survive without subsidies and regulations on competitors.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:07 pm to
You guys are hysterical.
Lindzen also has a view that lung cancer has only been weakly linked to smoking.

The Arctic's glaciers are melting and the Antartica's Ice Shelves are melting.
Let's do nothing.

Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112456 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:10 pm to
Oooh, 3 lies in a very short number of words. Congrats.
Posted by wt9
Savannah, Ga
Member since Nov 2011
1123 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:05 pm to
Fair enough. Politics is the number one problem with advancement of green/renewable technologies. Every energy source has hypocritical aurguments for or against each. You can't build a coal plant because of a pair of nesting yellow headed red breast owls, but you can kill them by the hundreds with a wind mill. A farmer can't plant low areas of his field do to wet lands, but counties can fill in thousands of acres for solar farms.

I am all for this technology. Promote it because it gives people healthy air to breath not that the temp will go up .3 degrees in the next 250 years.
Support it with grants, private funds, and agencies. Unfortunately the days of doing things because they are hard are gone.
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7592 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:40 pm to
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Lindzen clearly relishes the role of naysayer. He'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette.




LINK
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15378 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:56 pm to
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Can I have a link to this data?
skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=77

Start there. Royer 2006 is a good primer
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 10:01 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38262 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:02 pm to
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My question from the begging of this fiasco has been


What is the optimal temperature of the earth?

Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35632 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:03 pm to
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Dims lying to push their narrative?!? Say it ain't so....
Good thing only one side of the mythical paradigm use the media to push their agenda. Whew, huh?
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35632 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:15 pm to
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Unfortunately the days of doing things because they are hard are gone.
Umm, we've been in the Middle East for 16 years and counting doing regime change, controlling central banks, pipelines and natural resources.

It has nothing whatsoever and never has had anything to do with doing things that are hard. It's whether or not it's profitable for the establishment.

That's why man-made global warming.....errrr...global warming.....errrrr.....climate change is continually being pushed. The establishment and their minions stand to make incredible fortunes...if only you sheople would just buy into it. I mean really, why do you folks pollute this country? Why do you hate America so much?
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:24 pm to
It's worth pointing out that Lindzen's colleagues at MIT have publicly disagreed with his views on global warming: LINK

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But to his MIT colleagues, the evidence has become overwhelming. Raffaele Ferrari, an oceanographer and the chairman of the MIT climate program, rebutted Lindzen’s main points in the letter to Trump, writing that “the ongoing increase in carbon dioxide concentrations poses a risk to humankind.”

“There is no compelling scientific argument to suggest that these risks are so remote that they can be ignored,” he wrote.

Susan Solomon, a professor of environmental studies in the climate program, said her chief concern is that non-scientists who know little about the issue may assume Lindzen’s views are legitimate because of his status as an MIT professor.

“The truth is there’s a tiny fraction of climate scientists who would agree that his views are correct,” she said. “The risks are much greater than he says.”
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123887 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:03 pm to
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“the ongoing increase in carbon dioxide concentrations poses a risk to humankind.”
That is so ridiculous as to be embarrassing for MIT.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:06 pm to
Thanks for the dissent Professor Bonesaw
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123887 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:08 pm to
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Thanks for the dissent Professor Bonesaw
It was more of a thread bump, Matlock.
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