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re: Prior to Roe v Wade being overturned I had no idea that abortions were that common.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 1:42 pm to CarpeDiem
Posted on 11/18/23 at 1:42 pm to CarpeDiem
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If the laws are vague, the doctors don’t know whether they can terminate before it ruptures. If the law says you can terminate to save the life of the mother, how close to death does she need to be? This is not just about ectopic pregnancies. I used that as one of many examples. It’s hard to understand nuances of the law.
That's true of any homicide law. The fact that there are cases where lethal force may be lawfully used in self-defense, and that it is difficult to draw the line, is not an argument for the lawfulness of ordinary homicide. Fixating on the 1% of marginal cases obscures the central case of abortion.
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 1:43 pm to Antoninus
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The man has “control” up until the last point at which he was the physical capacity to exercise control. If the woman wants to be pregnant, she cannot get that way if the man chooses not to ejaculate. Pretending otherwise is just being combative for the sake of being pugnacious.
What is the basis of child support, then? If consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, the man cannot fairly be required to pay child support.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 1:49 pm to mikeybates
Abortions are not as common as you think. First, the rule is more interesting than the exception. 75% of women will not get abortions by age 45.
Second, this figure varies wildly by population group. Everyone is familiar with the racial gap in abortion rates. It is not true, then, that 25% of white, and black, and Hispanic, etc., women will have abortions by age 45. It's more like 40% of black women, 15% of white women, etc.
The figure will also vary by location. The abortion rate by residence (not occurrence) was about 40% lower in red states than in blue states even before Dobbs. And in many red states the large majority of abortions are obtained by Democratic voters, given the demographic figures. So the lifetime incidence figure is probably closer to 5-10% among Republican voters (perhaps lower).
In truth, it is not hard to avoid having an abortion if you make responsible decisions. If it was just something that "happens to everyone," the rate would not vary so much by population group.
Second, this figure varies wildly by population group. Everyone is familiar with the racial gap in abortion rates. It is not true, then, that 25% of white, and black, and Hispanic, etc., women will have abortions by age 45. It's more like 40% of black women, 15% of white women, etc.
The figure will also vary by location. The abortion rate by residence (not occurrence) was about 40% lower in red states than in blue states even before Dobbs. And in many red states the large majority of abortions are obtained by Democratic voters, given the demographic figures. So the lifetime incidence figure is probably closer to 5-10% among Republican voters (perhaps lower).
In truth, it is not hard to avoid having an abortion if you make responsible decisions. If it was just something that "happens to everyone," the rate would not vary so much by population group.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 1:53 pm to mikeybates
quote:The "basis" is a legislative decision to assure that children who are actually born will have financial support from both parents, such that the state does not end-up paying the tab to raise kids that have parents who are able to make a financial contribution.
What is the basis of child support, then? If consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, the man cannot fairly be required to pay child support.
A man can choose to avoid that obligation by choosing NOT to make a bareback spooge.
The secondary legislative motivation is to NOT encourage abortion, by leaving a single, pregnant woman with no chance of financial support from the sperm donor. The theory is that more women will abort (which was/is considered a "bad result") rather than giving birth, if she is to be the sole financial support for the child.
AGAIN, it is not a perfect system. Like most legislation, it has flaws, but it DOES seem to be the best system that legislatures have found, since it is the regimen that EVERY legislature has adopted.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 1:55 pm to Antoninus
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The "basis" is a legislative decision to assure that children who are actually born will have financial support from both parents,
Morally, if its "her body her choice" the man has zero responsibility. You want to have it both ways.
The laws are skewed to protect women. Stop fricking whores that use Abortion as BC.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 1:59 pm to vl100butch
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Then you have the issue of non-life comaptible pregnancies.
I think most of us are sympathetic.
Its the vapid ones who use abortion as birth control I have issues with.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
54% of abortions are medication induced. Meaning a woman takes a pill or a few pills, misoprostol and mifepristone, in their own home and their period comes. I believe a woman can only take the pills within the first few weeks of getting pregnant. After that the pills are ineffective
I am not sure how many abortions are fully formed babies in the wound or even partially formed. But abortion isn’t the worst most disgusting thing that most people think about when they hear abortion most of the time. If you wait a few months after learning you’re pregnant then yea you shouldn’t do that. But if a woman takes a few pills a few days after some cum got stuck to an egg to make her period come then I don’t really see the big deal. And that accounts for most abortions
I feel like most people don’t know this
I am not sure how many abortions are fully formed babies in the wound or even partially formed. But abortion isn’t the worst most disgusting thing that most people think about when they hear abortion most of the time. If you wait a few months after learning you’re pregnant then yea you shouldn’t do that. But if a woman takes a few pills a few days after some cum got stuck to an egg to make her period come then I don’t really see the big deal. And that accounts for most abortions
I feel like most people don’t know this
This post was edited on 11/18/23 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:06 pm to Tiger BTT
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25 percent of adult women have had an abortion.
Lol. No.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:08 pm to Tiger BTT
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The number of people in this world that lack a conscience never ceases to amaze me.
Wish that was the case for me.
I grew up running with a group of individuals whom mostly ended up in prison from convictions ranging from manslaughter to drug trafficking/distribution to murder 1.
A few of us chose different paths as we grew, but not many. I've seen how bad humanity is for a very long time and I thank GOD every day that I heard His voice and walked my own road instead of following theirs.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:10 pm to DownSouthJukin
quote:Technically, the response is correct. "25%" is rounded, and the figure is something like 23.4%, and it is "will have had an abortion by age 45," not "all adult women."
25 percent of adult women have had an abortion.quote:
Lol. No.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So, in your opinion, its solely the responsibility of the woman.
in creating the zygote? no, it takes a egg and sperm to create... at least that's what they taught me in biology... so both have an equal share as far as the responsibility of the parts that constitute a zygote/fetus...
as far as carrying the child, clearly that is the female's responsibility... and since it is SOLELY her responsibility, as far as carrying a child and the bodily changes and harm that can be attributed to carrying a child, it should SOLELY be her choice as far as to if that goes to term or not...
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Man is free from involvement in reproduction, correct? We can get as many pregnant as we want, no financial liability.
no, incorrect...
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:23 pm to Gifman
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Bro just go back to posting under AggieHank.
He obviously can’t.
Which begs the question: if the admins are going to allow him to post under this clear alter, why did they bother banning him in the first place?
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:26 pm to chRxis
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in creating the zygote?
The child
Its her body, her choice correct? The guy has no say, in your opinion.
Them frick em. Its their child if they decide to have it. You cant have it both ways..
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:31 pm to Antoninus
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Technically, the response is correct. "25%" is rounded, and the figure is something like 23.4%, and it is "will have had an abortion by age 45," not "all adult women."
Still no.
This is a bullshite statistic that the Left is using in its attempt to normalize killing babies. If this statistic was even close to being true then abortion clinics would be more popular than McDonald’s, even if 1/2 of alleged abortions are pharmaceutical induced.
Do you support killing babies?
This post was edited on 11/18/23 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:44 pm to DownSouthJukin
Vapid bitches that don't allow the father a say in the matter deserve to spend life alone with 60 cats.
They want it both ways, frick em
They want it both ways, frick em
Posted on 11/18/23 at 2:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Ever heard of Planned Parenthood?actually it the exact opposite,they make arrangements for women to get an abortion.what happens with aborted fetuses is another story.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 3:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Vapid bitches that don't allow the father a say in the matter deserve to spend life alone with 60 cats.
They want it both ways, frick em
Look at this Roger the feminist let's his real feelings be known...
This whole thread is a great illustration of the problem. Large amount of people with opinions on other people's lives trying to force their morals and rules on others....
Posted on 11/18/23 at 4:37 pm to Antoninus
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Or who choose to utilize a perfectly-legal option when they have an unwanted pregnancy. Really a matter of perspective, isn't it?
Nah, it's a matter of decency.
Posted on 11/18/23 at 4:38 pm to oklahogjr
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force their morals and rules on others
So you are an anarchist?
Posted on 11/18/23 at 4:42 pm to chRxis
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as far as carrying the child, clearly that is the female's responsibility... and since it is SOLELY her responsibility, as far as carrying a child and the bodily changes and harm that can be attributed to carrying a child, it should SOLELY be her choice as far as to if that goes to term or not...
She made the choice when she let him spray them guts.
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