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re: President Donald TRUMP intends to reform federal policies on marijuana

Posted on 10/13/18 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 10/13/18 at 8:30 pm to
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I dont think marijuana is the painkiller potheads want it to be. It's just not. Sure some may find it helpful but I dont think there's a single study saying its even as effective as ibuprofen or acetaminophen.

It's just a myth that's been passed around IMO.



Thats hella ignorant, bro.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 1:34 am to
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Tonight, why the War on Drugs is good for America!

-CNN


We joke but the war on drugs has been a crime against humanity.

If anyone deserves reparations is those poor souls who were locked up for life for low-level drug offenses just because they had 3 strikes.

But the gov loves big Pharma.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 1:42 am to
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Thats hella ignorant, bro.


Not at all, bro. The medical benefits are not "revolutionary". They're positive in some instances, positive enough to warrant use, but marijuana is by no means a a groundbreaking substance. Its been around a long long time. If it had as much use as potheads say, someone would have profited from it long ago.

It should be legalized already so people will finally shut up about it.

Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 1:57 am to
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I dont think marijuana is the painkiller potheads want it to be. It's just not. Sure some may find it helpful but I dont think there's a single study saying its even as effective as ibuprofen or acetaminophen. 

It's just a myth that's been passed around IMO



They found that 10 milligrams of THC gave the same pain relief as a 60-milligram (moderately strong) dose of codeine and that 20 milligrams of THC worked as well as 120 milligrams of codeine. 



https://www.nap.edu/read/9586/chapter/6


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Not at all, bro. The medical benefits are not "revolutionary". They're positive in some instances, positive enough to warrant use, but marijuana is by no means a a groundbreaking substance. Its been around a long long time. If it had as much use as potheads say, someone would have profited from it long ago. 

It should be legalized already so people will finally shut up about it. 



Let's see how far we can get him to crawfish back...





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There was conclusive or substantial evidence (the most definitive levels) that cannabis or cannabinoids, found in the marijuana plant, can be an effective treatment for chronic pain, according to the report, which is "by far the most common" reason people request medical marijuana.


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Interpretation
Our findings suggest that cannabidiol might reduce seizure frequency and might have an adequate safety profile in children and young adults with highly treatment-resistant epilepsy. Randomised controlled trials are warranted to characterise the safety profile and true efficacy of this compound.


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According to the film, the drug decreased her seizures from 300 a week to just one every seven days. Forty other children in the state were using the same strain of marijuana to treat their seizures when the film was made - and it seemed to be working.



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The doctors who recommended this treatment said the cannabidiol in the plant interacts with brain cells to quiet the excessive activity in the brain that causes these seizures.



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CBD may help prevent cancer from spreading, researchers at California Pacific Medical Center in San Francisco reported in 2007.
Other very preliminary studies on aggressive brain tumors in mice or cell cultures have shown that THC and CBD can slow or shrink tumors at the right dose, which is a strong reason to do more research.
One 2014 study found that marijuana can significantly slow the growth of the type of brain tumor associated with 80% of malignant brain cancer in people.




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Marijuana may be able to slow the progression of Alzheimer's disease, a study led by Kim Janda of the Scripps Research Institute suggests.
The 2006 study, published in the journal Molecular Pharmaceutics, found that THC (the active chemical in marijuana) slows the formation of amyloid plaques by blocking the enzyme in the brain that makes them. These plaques kill brain cells and are associated with Alzheimer's.




https://amp.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4
This post was edited on 10/14/18 at 1:59 am
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:14 am to
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can be an effective treatment for chronic pain


Doesn't say anything about how it compares to painkillers already on the market.

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cannabidiol might reduce seizure frequency and might have an adequate safety profile in children and young adults with highly treatment-resistant epilepsy.


Helps for some, does not help for everyone as I've already said. It's not a universal cure and the most effective strains have to be specially grown. The marijuana type required to be used for seizures will be 0.01% of the use cases. I'm 100% for making it available to these people.

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CBD may help prevent cancer from spreading


This one is just a joke. Eating vegetables may help cancer from spreading, exercising, drinking water, tons and tons of studies that conclude something "may" have certain outcomes.



Also, do you realize how many grocery store supplements you can buy right now with similar wording in their description?


You just proved my point with what you posted. It's not universally effective in any use.
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:21 am to
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Doesn't say anything about how it compares to painkillers already on the market. 


How many times do I have to post this?

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They found that 10 milligrams of THC gave the same pain relief as a 60-milligram (moderately strong) dose of codeine and that 20 milligrams of THC worked as well as 120 milligrams of codeine.  



And as for your bolded parts... if you read these medical studies they all show statistically significant results in the areas I posted.

You think the article will say anything is 100% certain?

Nearly drugs that have been on the market for decades still say "could" or "may" help certain symptoms.


Open your mind... you're much too biased
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
9966 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:22 am to
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You just proved my point with what you posted. It's not universally effective in any use. 


Is any drug??




Posted by Sweet daddy
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 5:09 am to
I hate to tell you this but it’s the white Meth Heads that is leading the pack .
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 1:53 pm to
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Doesn't say anything about how it compares to painkillers already on the market. 


How many times do I have to post this?

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They found that 10 milligrams of THC gave the same pain relief as a 60-milligram (moderately strong) dose of codeine and that 20 milligrams of THC worked as well as 120 milligrams of codeine.  



And as for your bolded parts... if you read these medical studies they all show statistically significant results in the areas I posted.

You think the article will say anything is 100% certain?

Nearly drugs that have been on the market for decades still say "could" or "may" help certain symptoms.


Open your mind... you're much too biased



Its difficult to open the minds of the willfully ignorant. Its like his stance is based on that dad told him potheads were lazy hippies or something and legitimate evidence and data is just nonsense.
Posted by mostbesttigerfanever
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:15 pm to
This was going to happen. Brilliant timing
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:27 pm to
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They found that 10 milligrams of THC gave the same pain relief as a 60-milligram (moderately strong) dose of codeine and that 20 milligrams of THC worked as well as 120 milligrams of codeine.  


Where are you getting that from?? You didnt even post a working link.

Again, I don't know where you get the impression I'm against legalization. I simply do not agree that its a groundbreaking and world changing substance. Thats a complete looney tunes take on it and I nearly always hear it from pothead types, not accusing anyone here of being a pothead.


Here's a more legitimate link from a more legitimate source than "Business Insider". Its from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:28 pm to
And if you want "Business Insider" level sources, here is an article that cites several research studies which show no significantly positive health outcomes from marijuana use.

Also, if you don't think there's financial incentive behind marijuana becoming legal, then you're out of your mind. Just like "big pharma", there will be "big marijuana". Large companies are already moving right now to corner the market.

Again, 100% behind legalization. I continue to reject the idea that marijuana is some groundbreaking substance.

LINK


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Sensing opportunity, a number of companies are jostling for early position in what is estimated to be a 100 million dollar a year medical cannabis market. A recent exposé by current affairs programme Four Corners called it a “green rush”, replete with “marijuana moguls”.


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RECOMMENDED The bad science of medical cannabis The bad science of medical cannabis BIOLOGY Subscriber Exclusive The science, however, is decidedly patchy, plagued by poor quality studies and the challenge of giving standard doses of a drug with over 400 chemical ingredients – 60 of which are the cannabinoids implicated in pain relief, and others having opposing effects.



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One recent review found “reasonable evidence” of benefit for nausea in chemotherapy. Another in children and adolescents found “increasing evidence of benefit for epilepsy”, but insufficient evidence to support use for spasticity and neuropathic pain, a burning sensation caused by oversensitive nerves.



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A new study, led by Gabrielle Campbell from the Australia’s National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre (NDARC) at the University of New South Wales in Sydney is unlikely to induce cheer in either stockholders of medical cannabis companies, or patients desperate for relief.



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Published in the journal Lancet Public Health, the research examined cannabis use over four years in a nationwide cohort of 1514 Australian adults with chronic non-cancer pain. Most had back or neck pain, neuropathic pain, or arthritis, and the median duration was 10 years. All were using some form of opioid drug, such as oxycodone or morphine, to control symptoms.



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The researchers tracked cannabis use with interviews and self-report questionnaires, categorising participants as non-users, infrequent users, or daily/near-daily users. The results were underwhelming. At the four year mark, just under a quarter had used cannabis as a painkiller. Those who did, however, reported more severe pain and greater disruption to their daily lives. Users also clocked higher anxiety and were less likely to think they could carry on in spite of pain. Further, the researchers found cannabis use bore no relation in time with changes in pain scores or level of functioning. Nor did cannabis lead to reduced dosage or discontinuation of opioid drugs.



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“Cannabis use was common in people with chronic non-cancer pain who had been prescribed opioids, but we found no evidence that cannabis use improved patient outcomes,” the authors concluded. The researchers did, however, find something perplexing. Cannabis users often felt better, and on average rated the drug seven out of 10 effective, despite a lack of objective improvement in their reported pain scores. “It is really difficult to disentangle the reasons for this,” says Campbell. “One hypothesis is that it may improve sleep and subjective wellbeing.” It’s worth noting the study took place mostly before medical cannabis was legalised, so the drug was often obtained illicitly and smoked. This potentially limits the relevance of findings for medical cannabis. “Some of the medicinal formulations have higher concentrations of CBD [cannabidiol] ... and also they may have higher doses or higher quality,” says Michael Farrell, director of NDARC and a co-investigator on the study. Nonetheless, the negative findings raise questions about the pace of legislation to increase access to medical cannabis. “We think that the Therapeutic Goods Administration has taken a balanced approach and it is important to try and promote access for those who feel it is important for them, but to continue to keep a careful eye on it and look at the evidence,” says Farrell. “What is important here is that we try to moderate expectations people have around handling pain.”




Posted by Ollieoxenfree99
Member since Aug 2018
7748 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:29 pm to
Who cares? Let people smoke it. $$$ in the bank that stays in the USA.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:31 pm to
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Who cares? Let people smoke it. $$$ in the bank that stays in the USA.




I never once said I was against legalization. I simply disagree it's a miracle drug.
This post was edited on 10/14/18 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Ollieoxenfree99
Member since Aug 2018
7748 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:32 pm to
Point taken. Directed at all the discussion of medicinal purposes.

Who is the govt to dictate a person's vices to deal with their life affliction(s)?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 2:57 pm to
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President Donald TRUMP intends to reform federal policies on marijuana


Obama already did this. Letting states like Colorado do whatever the frick they want about pot.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25904 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:30 pm to
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Obama already did this. Letting states like Colorado do whatever the frick they want about pot.


They can’t use the banking system...
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18815 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:33 pm to
I can’t wait to see Democrats as conflicted as they have ever been.
Can you see it? Attacking Trump for supporting something they always did?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:40 pm to
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They found that 10 milligrams of THC gave the same pain relief as a 60-milligram (moderately strong) dose of codeine and that 20 milligrams of THC worked as well as 120 milligrams of codeine.


How much does one have to smoke to get 10 milligrams of THC? A couple of tokes or more? How long do the anti pain effects last?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:42 pm to
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I never once said I was against legalization. I simply disagree it's a miracle drug.


That^.
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