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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:45 am to Gaspergou202
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:45 am to Gaspergou202
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ALL human beings are SINNERS! And yes Trump had/has an adultery problem. He probably has hundreds of other sins like everyone including you and me. But he is the only real conservative president sin Ronald Reagan.
his depravity was ignored up to celebrated. the same should be done for Brandi Love
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:45 am to Lsupimp
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Freedom, even freedom we don’t personally indulge , is still freedom. So while you make a valid point about the negative effects that pornography can possibly have on individuals and families, we must accept the reality of it ( and gambling, philandering, sloth , greed , etc) and make room in our POLITICAL coalition for those who are not culturally Conservative. The Libertarian Right and The Conservative Right and the traditionalists and the working class populists should all be mutually respectful and build a coalition to beat back the Cultural cannibals of Progressivism. Then we can have these intercine squabbles.
Yeah but do you think we can win promoting this brand?
I'm not being antagonistic, I think about it a lot so I'm curious as to whether you think this coalition is strong enough.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:45 am to Rekrul
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Trump’s rockstar status has very little to do with conservatism. It has a whole lot to do with being an America first outsider who brought a wrecking ball to the DC establishment and shook them the frick up like no one has ever done before.
No, Trump IS a conservative. He’s just the type of conservative who wasn’t popular in America 10-20 years ago because the American people were too religious. Trump is pro-military, pro-economy, pro-the American people. You can’t get more conservative than that even if he doesn’t share your fairytales about a god creating the entire universe and then spending all his time worrying about whether people are cumming too much
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:45 am to Man With A Plan
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No Christian should have anything to do with the works of the flesh. Sexual sin is not a joke, and should never be normalized.
Did you vote for Trump?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:47 am to Pettifogger
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Yeah but do you think we can win promoting this brand?
the ONLY major political win you've had since 2004 (which is debatable given how much this place hates GWB now) was by promoting that brand (in Trump), and the primary reason Trump could win was b/c "conservatism" became palatable without the Evangelical BS
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:47 am to IceTiger
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The freedom to pursue it should be unchecked for adults.
That's a meritorious position, but it's arguably not a conservative one.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:47 am to anc
Rock & Roll is the debil’s music!!
( Porn is more libertarian than conservative. )
( Porn is more libertarian than conservative. )
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:48 am to IceTiger
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The freedom to pursue it should be unchecked for adults.
Agree - and if this gets us pegged as libertarians that's fine.
I don't see the sense in drawing up the divisions between social conservatives and libertarians at this junction. We agree on almost everything that's important right now - namely fiscal conservatism and resisting the encroachment of strong federal government. This alliance should be solid as a rock right now.
These types of things are meaningless distractions.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:49 am to anc
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Pornography destroys families just as much as welfare does. Conservatives should be against it.
Incorrect. This is an anti-liberty position.
Political Conservatism does not necessarily refer to “conservative” morality. It refers to conserving the founding principles of the nation—federalism, Liberty, etc.
Not what your church says is conservative in a social context.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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the ONLY major political win you've had since 2004 (which is debatable given how much this place hates GWB now) was by promoting that brand (in Trump), and the primary reason Trump could win was b/c "conservatism" became palatable without the Evangelical BS
Ok but is this really a win when your argument is basically that Trump won via evangelical hypocrisy?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:49 am to Ross
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I don't see the sense in drawing up the divisions between social conservatives and libertarians at this junction.
Evangelicals cannot help themselves. It's their authoritarian streak.
They're perfectly fine losing elections because of it, also, b/c martyrdom fits into their worldview perfectly.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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was Trump the face of conservatism?
No, he's a centrist.
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did social conservatives ignore his moral depravity?
Absolutely not. We voted for Cruz and Carson in the 2016 primary. After they lost, who was the candidate who wasn't morally depraved that we should have thrown our hat behind?
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was his moral depravity celebrated? remember all the threads about how Melania was so hot? Donnie 9-inch? all the "alpha male" talk b/c of the women he's had sex with?
What on earth does this have to do with conservative Christians? We were not the ones celebrating things like this.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:50 am to Man With A Plan
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Anyone that looks lustfully at a female commits adultery, doesn't matter if you're doing the act physically or spiritually, there is no difference it is a sin and wrong. Porn is definitely wrong, viewing it is committing Adultery and fornication. No Christian should have anything to do with the works of the flesh. Sexual sin is not a joke, and should never be normalized.
None of that is any of your business outside of your own actions and choices.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:50 am to MAADFACTS
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Yes, yes. The “sin” is carried by the person who is getting ejaculated on and not the one ejaculating. If there is anything worse than christian moralists, it’s dudes like you who define sin so that it can never apply to you. You want to be free? Lose all notions of sin. Do not serve that which you cannot possibly believe and just enjoy the lady with the big titties bouncing up and down on your shaft without pretending that she is the one who is doing something wrong. Neither of you are
I'm not religious. And my point still holds. Having sex with a porn star off camera(allegedly) is not the same thing as being a porn star.
No matter how you guys try and twist it TRUMP'S sex life is not at all equivalent to being a porn star.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 10:52 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:51 am to Ross
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These types of things are meaningless distractions.
The Brandi Love thing is a distraction sure
But the presence or absence of moral/faith-based positions in the conservative or anti-left movement is a valid discussion and one that is going to grow in importance if there is going to be any serious resistance.
BTW I think this Brandi Love story has spawned important discussion on this board that is healthy and much more useful than hyperventilating about vaccines for the 10,000th time this month.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:52 am to anc
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do not know why we are having this Turning Point fight.
The problem is, why is the woman always punished?
If this is true, then all the men who look at her work should have been kicked out too.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:52 am to anc
quote:I'm not sure what "Conservative" means any longer, because I used to believe it was a belief in the Christians principles that were used in the formation of our country, yet today many Conservatives are fine with dispensing with the bibilcal worldview, especially in terms of morality, in favor or other things.
I do not know why we are having this Turning Point fight.
Pornography destroys families just as much as welfare does. Conservatives should be against it.
The "Conservative" of today looks more like the liberal of 20 years ago, IMO.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:52 am to Pettifogger
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But the presence or absence of moral/faith-based positions in the conservative or anti-left movement is a valid discussion and one that is going to grow in importance if there is going to be any serious resistance.
Faith-based positions are an automatic loser at the National level, and within the party.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:52 am to hnds2th
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If this is true, then all the men who look at her work should have been kicked out too.
There were other porn stars at the event?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:53 am to Indefatigable
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Faith-based positions are an automatic loser at the National level, and within the party.
Hence I'm talking about resistance and radicalism, not parties and national elections.
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