re: Pornography is not conservative

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No one’s saying they aren’t ALLOWED to exclude her, just that it was a dumb decision to do so.

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Exactly. He's smart enough to realize that as well.

You quite clearly have no idea what libertarians think when you have a whole thread full of libertarians and all manner of conservatives telling you what they think yet you continue to cling to some warped image to claim libertarians stand for all kinds of things that very very few of them do.

“Having no business” =\= no right to do so

This is the primary difference that separates libertarians from progressives and social conservatives.

Libertarians don’t agree with every immoral act, so they just choose not to engage in it. They might criticize you for doing it, but beyond that, aren’t going to do much to stop you because they see you as an adult capable of making your own decisions and bearing the consequences.

Progs and socons see actions they believe to be immoral and demand government jail or fine those people until they stop because they see people as either foolish children or evil monsters that need to be restrained and/or taken care of.

When a kid is considering sticking a fork in an outlet, the libertarian tells them not to and what will happen if they do, then says “I told you so” when they zap themselves and learn the hard way.

In the same scenario, the prog/socon puts the kid in timeout so he can’t get to the outlet and puts him and every other kid back in timeout every time the one is holding a fork.

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Libertarians don’t agree with every immoral act, so they just choose not to engage in it. They might criticize you for doing it, but beyond that, aren’t going to do much to stop you because they see you as an adult capable of making your own decisions and bearing the consequences.

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Liberty is a beautiful thing

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Progs and socons see actions they believe to be immoral and demand government jail or fine those people until they stop because they see people as either foolish children or evil monsters that need to be restrained and/or taken care of.

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Spot on. “No, don’t legislate THEIR morality, legislate MY morality”

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You may not respect atheists, but you'd certainly appreciate them protesting against hate speech laws that would, amongst other things, target your church.

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I wrote nothing stating, suggesting, or implying I disrespect atheists or that I don’t appreciate any and all contributions they make in this war. In fact I specifically stated my descriptor “secular/irreligious” was not an indicator of disrespect or a pejorative. You’ve have possibly taken offense where one was not given.

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But maybe they shouldn't because yall disagree on 10 commandment monuments in courthouses...

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I wrote nothing concerning Ten Commandment monuments nor expressed a personal opinion of their placement or removal in Courthouses. For the record though, I see little difference between removal or destruction of Ten Commandments monuments, statuary of Presidents, Civil War generals, statues of Jesus and other religious figures and the Taliban’s destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan pre-911.

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That fact should tell you that your read on this is incorrect.

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My “read” on this was recognizing and elaborating on this post from another poster who wrote: Weird that conservatives are now expected to concede all morality to libertarians. The OP’s statement was more or less accurate leaving out only conservatives I categorized as “secular/irreligious”.

The OP was justified in expressing their frustration with conservative Christians being expected to concede morality to others. My post pointed out issues and problems inherent in a coalition which attempts to encompass secular/irreligious libertarians, secular/irreligious conservatives, and Christian conservatives. I think it’s a necessary, serious and crucial discussion that is needed. Specific policies and issues were only examples to illustrate the fault lines in this coalition.

Not the least is that much of the secular/irreligious component of this coalition have with made a bargain with the Devil either intentionally or accidentally making common cause with the globalist communists by adopting similar positions on issues foundational to the globalist communists’ agenda.

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You (Christian conservatives) can, and need to, compartmentalize these battles.

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they (Christian conservatives) need to put aside their differences *for now* and deal with the larger threat.

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Like you are doing?

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I think it’s a necessary, serious and crucial discussion that is needed

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Why?

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The OP was justified in expressing their frustration with conservative Christians being expected to concede morality to others.

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No one is asking you to concede your morality. We're asking you to stop your drive to have your morality forced upon others.

I favor marijuana legalization, and I’m anti-abortion.

That fetus is a human person who does not consent to being murdered.

As for other drugs, I’m not sure what the appropriate policy should be, but the status quo is absolutely not working for anyone except organized crime, law enforcement agencies, and private prison contractors. The issue with addictive substance is that addiction impacts one’s ability to consent, and the lengths an addict will go to feed that addiction has drastic consequences for society as a whole.

I believe dangerously addictive products could potentially be legal, though highly regulated with warnings posted, and that addiction itself should not be criminal while the actions used to fuel said addiction (stealing, squatting, etc) should be.

The same could be argued about drunk driving. It’s not necessarily a problem where your bac should determine whether you’re behaving criminally or not, but how you’re actually driving. Someone who is weaving and drifting in the lanes, running off the road for no reason, and hits someone in a head-on collision was committing wrongdoing independently of whether or not they were drunk at the time. So, maybe we should focus our punishment and enforcement on the dangerous activity rather than the condition surrounding it.

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No one is asking you to concede your morality. We're asking you to stop your drive to have your morality forced upon others.

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Can I have an orgy on the sidewalk, right outside to an elementary school? Muh freedoms, right?

If I can't, then please drop this foolish strawman. Everybody wants some morality legislated. Everybody. We can disagree on where to draw the line, fine. Pretending one side doesn't draw it at all is fundamentally dishonest.

I was merely pointing out that individuals are capable of nuance. I’m trying to show that an individual who disagrees with social conservatives on some issues can still be a valuable ally on many others.