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Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:01 pm to wackatimesthree
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Only the amateur stuff your mama sends me.
Oh man. Sick burn.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:04 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Oh man. Sick burn.
Well, you posted your immature bullshite that was the equivalent of pulling a girl's pigtails in 3rd grade not once but twice, so I figured you were looking for a reaction in kind.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:06 pm to anc
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Pornography destroys families
Idk. You seen some of the titles on PornHub lately? Seems to bringing families closer together. Very close together...like...inside each other together...
I'll see myself out...
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:10 pm to wackatimesthree
We get it. You love porn.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:27 pm to MAADFACTS
quote:So you deny that laws of thought/logic exist as a universal truth?
I'll bite. I don't think logic can be applied universally, nor do I think mathematics can. They're both just the products of how our ape brains slice reality in regards to temporal and causal relations between matter. It makes no sense to apply them beyond that and every theologian and theoretical physicist that is pretending they can is just a snake oil salesman.
Do you think there are other, equally valid ways to "slice reality in regards to temporal and causal relations between matter"? If so, I'd like to see how that works in your mind, because I don't think you operate as if laws of thought/logic aren't a universal reality.
If logic is merely a human convention, then there is no single right way to argue and therefore I can win an argument with you merely by saying whatever I want and attributing it to my own standard for reasoning as created by the neurons in my brain. I can lie and contradict myself all day long and you have no way to argue against it (objectively, at least) because you deny that laws of logic are necessary. Or better yet, I can shoot you with a gun to win an argument because it could both be the "moral" thing for me to do based on my own subjective standard of morality as well as the "rational" thing to do according to my own view of logic and reasoning.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 4:48 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Is he wrong though?
Yes and no.
It's like saying alcohol is pretty destructive. Some people can handle drinking and not let it destroy their lives and some people can't. Porn is much the same. Some people get addicted and it drives their life, some people watch it on occasion and it's not a big deal.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 4:51 pm to wackatimesthree
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But it's well worth noting that if materialist atheism is true, there's no moral advantage in building that sort of society vs a society with little freedom, high crime rates, low education rates, etc.
Me and Foo are a few chapters past your notation, which is why I worded it the way I did.Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:05 pm to FooManChoo
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So you deny that laws of thought/logic exist as a universal truth?
Yep.
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Do you think there are other, equally valid ways to "slice reality in regards to temporal and causal relations between matter"?
We have experimental evidence that shows the linear relationship between time and space breakdown at the quantum level. We can explain what is going on with math, but if we had evolved at that scale, our understanding of the universe would be vastly different and the causal relationships which were fundamental to our developing physics, math, and logic might never have occurred to us. So no, it’s not universally true even from what we can figure out, let alone what is beyond our capabilities.
quote:. Of course I don’t because I live at this scale. It’s universally applicable to humans, which is all we need. My dog doesn’t think logically.
I don't think you operate as if laws of thought/logic aren't a universal reality.
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If logic is merely a human convention, then there is no single right way to argue and therefore I can win an argument with you merely by saying whatever I want and attributing it to my own standard for reasoning as created by the neurons in my brain. I can lie and contradict myself all day long and you have no way to argue against it (objectively, at least) because you deny that laws of logic are necessary. Or better yet, I can shoot you with a gun to win an argument because it could both be the "moral" thing for me to do based on my own subjective standard of morality as well as the "rational" thing to do according to my own view of logic and reasoning.
All of this happens not only all the time now but for all of history
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:31 pm to MAADFACTS
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We have experimental evidence that shows the linear relationship between time and space breakdown at the quantum level.
Much to Einstein's dismay ("God doesn't play with dice."), I'd imagine.
Couldn't this just be a gap in human knowledge that could be explained at a later date? At one point in time, prior to Charles Darwin, spontaneous generation was seriously considered in the scientific community.
It very well might be the case that discoveries at the Quantum level could destroy the underpinnings of logic, but considering how much more there is to discover it seems pretty premature to assume the case is closed at this point, no?
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:33 pm to Azkiger
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:49 pm to TomBuchanan
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Can I get a TL;DR besides some people like porn and some don't?
Maybe I'm giving this board too much credit, but I think most all people who've responded have gone beyond letting their stance simply be what they like or dislike.
The most coherent argument in favor of shunning Brandi Love from the Turning Point event that I've heard is that even though she's not breaking any laws or harming anyone, she is partaking in behaviors that Conservatives don't want to promote, and giving her a voice on their platform could/would be seen as a promotion of what she does off stage.
From the other end, people are arguing that considering the state of the country we need all the allies we can get and shouldn't be picking and choosing. She's for small gov, the constitution, etc. and will only help bring more people under the tent to fight against the communistic threat our nation currently faces.
I side with the latter, but that's because I'm a Libertarian and don't have a lot of the same religious reservations as the posters who are in favor of distancing themselves from certain types of behaviors/lifestyles. Even taking into consideration their values on porn (which isn't hard to imagine, I use to be a very religious Conservative), avoiding CRT, Equity, ANTIFA riots, more government intrusion into our lives is more important than trying to take as stance on something that is not only legal, but something that most of this country already views as moral.
I get sticking to your values no matter the cost, but if communism is a fire consuming my house, I'm not going to be giving any concern to the air conditioner that just broke (porn). Lets put the fire out and then go down the list of lesser important items.
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:56 pm to Azkiger
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:32 am to Azkiger
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Much to Einstein's dismay ("God doesn't play with dice."), I'd imagine.
No, because he is dead and incapable of dismay, but yeah, special relativity and quantum mechanics still don’t speak to each other so there is a definite gap in our knowledge. The question is, is that a gap that can even be filled? That question doesn’t mean that there isn’t an answer, it means there might not be an answer we are capable of producing.
Delayed choice quantum eraser
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:01 am to wackatimesthree
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I don't understand how that would be redefining conservatism.
Conservatism is fundamentally based in morality. Which we know because everyone's always hand wringing about their moralizing.
Constantly conceding the culture war is part of how we got to the point in this country where Washington recognizes zero natural rights and is seeking to control the entire population. An amoral citizenry gives us an amoral government which only seeks its own. But hey, at least we're not mean to drug addicts and mocking prostitutes.
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Again, I don't see anyone prohibiting convenience store owners who sell lottery tickets and alcohol from attending.
Guess you've never heard of blue laws, huh? Lots of areas push back against that stuff. That's why states had to pull the bait and switch by tying the lottery to education.
And again, show me the mainstream conservative voices pushing legalizing drugs. I'm sure there are a handful, but they're a minimum and considered a losing argument with conservatives.
You build some really weird straw men.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:11 am to MAADFACTS
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No, because he is dead and incapable of dismay...
The realization that classical physics started to break down at the subatomic level started to make itself known in the early 1900s, and Einstein was well aware of it (see his 1905 paper on the photoelectric effect).
While I haven't done a lot of reading into him, I'd imagine he was dismayed with further knowledge gained of subatomic particles throughout his career based on what I do know.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:12 am to squid_hunt
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Constantly conceding the culture war is part of how we got to the point in this country where Washington recognizes zero natural rights and is seeking to control the entire population.
So accepting porn has lead this nation to bow to big gov?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:50 am to anc
Charles Keating has entered the chat…
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:13 am to Azkiger
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So accepting porn has lead this nation to bow to big gov?
From a political standpoint, porn is bread and circus. You tell me.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:24 am to Azkiger
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The realization that classical physics started to break down at the subatomic level started to make itself known in the early 1900s, and Einstein was well aware of it (see his 1905 paper on the photoelectric effect).
While I haven't done a lot of reading into him, I'd imagine he was dismayed with further knowledge gained of subatomic particles throughout his career based on what I do know.
Absolutely. But he died before the predictions of quantum mechanics began to be reliably reproduced in lab conditions. Whatever dismay he may have felt in life is over now because he is dead. Unless the block universe he predicted is real in which case he is still alive eternally between 1879 - 1956 but is still unaware of how wrong he was
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