re: Pornography is not conservative

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And (as this thread has shown), they seem to save their more visceral arguments for those on the right, rather than those on the left, which I always find interesting.

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You need to expand your horizons of libertarianism beyond the definition of libertarianism that is proffered by the beltway class of approved opinion makers.

In this 1992 essay , Murray Rothbard argues that libertarianism and conservative populism (i.e. Trumpism) should be viewed as natural allies against the Statist agenda:

“…right-wing populist programs [are] totally consistent with a hard-core libertarian position. But all real-world politics is coalition politics, and there are other areas where libertarians might well compromise with their paleo or traditionalist or other partners in a populist coalition. For example, on family values, take such vexed problems as pornography, prostitution, or abortion. Here, pro-legalization and pro-choice libertarians should be willing to compromise on a decentralist stance; that is, to end the tyranny of the federal courts, and to leave these problems up to states and better yet, localities and neighborhoods, that is, to “community standards.” Murray Rothbard.

OP here. Definitely my most popular thread. I've read every response. Seems that we conservatives are conflicted on this one.

Porn is a destroyer and it should be destroyed. I only give to two charities - my local church and an organization dedicated to eradicating pornography. I agree with Ray Ortlund that porn is the biggest issue facing the church right now, and the primary reason that men are struggling right now.

Some people don't see it as a big deal. That's fine. The person who agrees with me 90 percent of the time isn't my enemy. But if you think accepting porn stars is what will turn the country economically conservative - you are going to be highly disappointed.

I've watched enough families be destroyed over this crap to realize what it is.

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I've watched enough families be destroyed over this crap to realize what it is.

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I said it before in this thread, but it bears repeating.

The same thought leaders behind critical theory were seminal (so to speak) thinkers leading the sexual revolution (Reich and Marcuse are notable examples).

They knew that if they could destroy the family, it would be easier to bring about Marxism and the destruction of capitalism.

Pretending the sexual revolution and libertinism fits with conservatism is a fools errand. And it furthers the goals of our enemy.

One of the reasons that we have failed to keep our country strong is because we have become personally morally weak.

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Pornography is not conservative

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Right. I guess sex is a liberal thing. No conservative would be caught doing that.

Regarding the girl and "this Turning Point fight," acting is acting. Actors can be conservative or liberal. The TP actress apparently embraced conservative theory. Actions to exclude her are stupid.

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The intent is to make money

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This isn’t really clear at all. Most porn performers could fill two or three notebooks at a psychiatrist’s office. They’re not “just like you and me but just have a different job.”

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however arbitrarily picking your own feelings over other reasons/standards is not rational, which is my point.

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I dont agree that someone picking their own feelings over "other reasons/standards" isn't rational. Their rationale could be behaving in a way that benefits them, and giving a lot of weight to their own feelings while weighing choices would be rational.

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...but it is not reasonable to choose your emotions as your standard of right action in the first place when there are many other equally-valid standards to adhere to.

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Why would other standards be equally valid, though? People put different weights on different things. Maybe I'm 60/40 with respect to considering how my behaviors impact me vs someone else. If that's my standard, and that's what informs my behavior, that's not arbitrary. I'm using a standard to inform my actions. Theres nothing unusual or unreasonable about my behavior, it's fairly predictable.

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You can still be arbitrary even with a reason if the reason doesn't distinguish the choice from any others.

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So when you order food at a restaurant, purchase a car, buy clothes, or even pick a wife, all those decision are arbitrary?

I think you have a different take on that than most people.

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Regardless, an individual who is not crazy, who is conservative, and who can contribute positively to thinktanks should not be excluded from conservative activities.

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I’ve seen reports that the event targeted teens for attendance. Does that change your perspective on this particular instance if accurate?

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I have a follow up question thought which is was she just an attendee or was she a presenter? If it is the latter, it’s absurd that she was invited to present in the first place. If she was just in attendance the optics of a public disinvite is probably worse than letting a big boobed lady walk around and listen to speeches.

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Was she publicly disinvited or did she make the disinvitation public?

I believe she was just an attendee.

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I’ve seen reports that the event targeted teens for attendance.

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Was she planning to film a scene on the TP stage? If she was just showing up as a conservative female, teen presence would make no difference to me at all.