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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:45 pm to kingbob
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:45 pm to kingbob
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And what is the issue with prostitution? So long as the participants are legal consenting adult citizens, why shouldn’t prostitution be legal?
This is where you and I will always have a fundamental disagreement. Prostitution is a moral evil that degrades women and cheapens the sexual experience.
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:47 pm to RollTide1987
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Prostitution is a moral evil that degrades women and cheapens the sexual experience.
Neither of those positions have any bearing on whether it should be legal.
Women who consent to prostitution do not find it degrading, and it they do, they consider that degradation outweighed by any benefit they may derive from participating. Why should your moral code/worldview be codified but not hers?
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:51 pm to RollTide1987
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Prostitution is a moral evil that degrades women and cheapens the sexual experience
Which is an argument for social shaming, not government policy.
Government policy should not be about protecting people from social mores, but protecting rights. Government shouldn’t be about protecting people from themselves, rather than protecting people from other people, or at least giving them means of addressing when other people violate their rights or destroy their property.
Ask yourself, does prostitution being illegal do more to protect people from others or does it actually put people in a more vulnerable position to be harmed by others without a means of redress?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:51 pm to blueboy
Brandi Love is now calling calling her critics, critics of pornography and its consequences, "low T white nationalist religious zealots".
It illustrates how so many people invited into conservatism under the "big tent" principle are hostile to social conservatism, you know what is actually the core of conservatism.
It illustrates how so many people invited into conservatism under the "big tent" principle are hostile to social conservatism, you know what is actually the core of conservatism.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:53 pm to Sentrius
yep
giving things away for short term alliances is in error
giving things away for short term alliances is in error
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:53 pm to Sentrius
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social conservatism, you know what is actually the core of conservatism.
Maybe your conservatism, but certainly not mine. Your social and quasi-religious preferences have no bearing on my belief in the founding principles of federalism and individual liberty.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:54 pm to Sentrius
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It illustrates how so many people invited into conservatism under the "big tent" principle are hostile to social conservatism, you know what is actually the core of conservatism.
I think most, if not a plurality, of republicans would disagree with you, there.
The core of conservatism is constitutionally limited government.
In my opinion, it is social conservatives and neocons which are responsible for the GOP’s “bad branding” when it comes to recruiting new members. The GOP claims to be for freedom of speech, economic liberty, and personal responsibility, yet the social conservative wing of the party is constantly violating those principles to pillory “undesirables”, censor repugnant art and entertainment, and criminalize “sinful” self-indulgences.
The social conservative wing of the party is the mirror image of the authoritarian progressive wing of the democratic party, and that’s a very very bad thing.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:54 pm to Indefatigable
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Neither of those positions have any bearing on whether it should be legal.
And I disagree.
If you identify as a conservative and claim to have conservative values, then you should too. If you do not agree, then you are not a conservative; you are a libertarian.
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Women who consent to prostitution do not find it degrading
Key phrase. Many women who walk the streets on a nightly basis do not consent. The high-end escorts do but most of the streetwalkers you see at night and many of the Asian massage parlors are filled with women who are doing it against their will.
People like to pretend that slavery no longer exists in the United States. This is false. Sex trafficking is a major underground industry here in America and throughout the world.
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Why should your moral code/worldview be codified but not hers?
Because my faith tells me that my view is the right view.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:54 pm to Pettifogger
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giving things away for short term alliances is in error
It is also the only way to win an election in a plurality, single member district, first-past-the-post electoral system
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:56 pm to RollTide1987
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f you do not agree, then you are not a conservative; you are a libertarian.
bullshite. Conservative values are not necessarily married or limited to prevailing Christian positions on social matters.
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Many women who walk the streets on a nightly basis do not consent.
Then we are not talking about position, but sex trafficking.
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The high-end escorts do but most of the streetwalkers you see at night and many of the Asian massage parlors are filled with women who are doing it against their will.
Then nothing in this thread aimed at legalizing prostitution is discussing these individuals.
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Because my faith tells me that my view is the right view.
Well that settles it then.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:57 pm to Sentrius
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Brandi Love is now calling calling her critics, critics of pornography and its consequences, "low T white nationalist religious zealots".
I take back everything I said in this thread before in support of her. Charlie Kirk is definitely low T, and religion is a distraction, but white nationalism is the heart of the conservative movement, provided it means where people who are nationalists and not white nationalists, who are also welcome but aren’t as important
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:57 pm to Indefatigable
I would rather lose an election than compromise my soul. Life is finite. Eternity is forever.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:58 pm to Indefatigable
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Women who consent to prostitution do not find it degrading, and it they do, they consider that degradation outweighed by any benefit they may derive from participating. Why should your moral code/worldview be codified but not hers?
Have you met or run across a lot who are itching to be prostitutes, but for the illegality of it?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:58 pm to RollTide1987
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I would rather lose an election than compromise my soul. Life is finite. Eternity is forever.
No, what you would rather is compromise any political principles you may/may not have in favor of legislating your personal morality on the population at large.
As long as you never once profess to be a fan of liberty, limited government, or federalism, then by all means carry on.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 3:59 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Have you met or run across a lot who are itching to be prostitutes, but for the illegality of it?
How is that relevant?
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:01 pm to Indefatigable
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Conservative values are not necessarily married or limited to prevailing Christian positions on social matters.
You and I will have to disagree. 40 years ago this kind of shite would not have been tolerated by anyone on the right. Now it's seen as a necessary evil to build a coalition to win elections. If that's the case, count me out. The point of conservatism is to conserve. What are we conserving if not those values that we were founded upon?
If you are perfectly okay with the popularization of pornography and the legalization of prostitution, you are not right wing; you are on the right of the left wing.
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Then we are not talking about position, but sex trafficking.
They are inextricably linked.
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Well that settles it then.
Correct. It's certainly settled for me and I will not compromise my values just to win an election.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:01 pm to RollTide1987
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Many women who walk the streets on a nightly basis do not consent.
Isn’t that a problem caused by it being illegal and unregulated?
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People like to pretend that slavery no longer exists in the United States. This is false. Sex trafficking is a major underground industry here in America and throughout the world.
Once again, is this not a consequence of the illicit nature of criminal prostitution? Would non-consensual prostitution or human trafficking be legal if prostitution was? Of course not. If anything, the desire to crack down on sex slavery and human trafficking are reasons why prostitution should be legal and regulated, which would protect women from abusive pimps and johns.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:02 pm to RollTide1987
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I would rather lose an election than compromise. Life is finite, and I’m intent to never have any impact
FIFY
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:02 pm to Indefatigable
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No, what you would rather is compromise any political principles you may/may not have in favor of legislating your personal morality on the population at large.
Yes, I would. Because I don't just care about me. I'm in the business of saving souls and that doesn't just include my own.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 4:03 pm to kingbob
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Isn’t that a problem caused by it being illegal and unregulated?
No, it's a problem caused by evil.
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