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re: Populism is the only Thing That Will Save Capitalism
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:17 pm to RiverCityTider
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:17 pm to RiverCityTider
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Maybe you have lost your humanity.
Maybe I understand populism as you define it (progressivism) is the best tool to crush the middle class you claim to care so much about.
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Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:21 pm to jrobic4
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Crony Capitalism isn't Capitalism. MIC and Big Pharma isn't Capitalism. Keynesianism isn't Capitalism.
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The question is, can we get back to free markets and business environments that give small businesses a fighting chance? I have doubts...
Small Business opportunity is supposed to be a fundamental tenant of conservatism. It used to be. Then it became a pretend value. Now the Roger's of the world openly despise these people and accuse those who support them as progressives.
It's truly insane.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:23 pm to moneyg
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Now the Roger's of the world openly despise these people and accuse those who support them as progressives.
It's truly insane.
Weird. Tariffs hurt small business far more than bigcorp.
You literally supported woke corporations over the little guy.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:24 pm to jamboybarry
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Maybe I understand populism as you define it (progressivism) is the best tool to crush the middle class you claim to care so much about.
Dumb people love their collectivism.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:25 pm to moneyg
2020 and the Wall Street bailouts destroyed small businesses across the country. Trump consulting with BlackRock was as close to a final nail in the coffin as we’ve seen.
I know we all want small government but it’s going to take a strong federal government to destroy the cronyism, corruption, and collusion. Then that strong government has to rip that power away permanently and implement prevention measures. That’s going to take 8+ years and there cannot be any distractions.
I know we all want small government but it’s going to take a strong federal government to destroy the cronyism, corruption, and collusion. Then that strong government has to rip that power away permanently and implement prevention measures. That’s going to take 8+ years and there cannot be any distractions.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:25 pm to RiverCityTider
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What is it? Half of you say "we really don't have capitalism now" and the other half deny there is an issue and say the people are 100% to blame.
Which is it?
We have a government that bails out companies on the taxpayer dime. That's not real capitalism, businesses are supposed to succeed and fail on their own.
Let's not forget Trump had his hands in some bailouts: LINK
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U.S. Senators including Democrat Sherrod Brown, Republican Roger Marshall and Bernie Sanders, an Independent, asked the Treasury Department in separate letters reviewed by Reuters to extend the maturity date for $700 million in COVID pandemic loans given to Yellow Corp by the Trump administration in 2020, in exchange for the government taking a stake of nearly 30% in the company.
Yellow went back to the trough after they got those loans. What should have happened is let that company die and not waste 700 million in taxpayer money.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:27 pm to RiverCityTider
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The question is what about the average ones. The human ones? From a societal standpoint, should we judge our system based on how it works for them? And if we find that there is no moral basis on which it should be judged, then as a practical matter, can we all survive if the system doesn't work for most people?
The system works for almost anyone willing to give their all and put in the effort to succeed. It's a mental, or "faith" thing to some extent as well. If you're convinced that the system is rigged against you, you won't make an effort to find your way through it. If you are convinced that it does work, you'll find success.
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So my question is, should we even judge our system on the basis of how well it's people are doing?
Or is that simply not relevant?
If life is a race, it's a race with a staggard start.
The system has no control over people's motivation, or the lack thereof. Those qualities are based on upbringing and learned values.
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We have no say over where we start or the advantages we enjoy or disadvantages we face. Of course, certain prodigies start at the back and win the race. And some weaklings start in front and fall behind.
I've seen people who were born into money, inherit and squander it all within years or less. That's on the individual. I've also seen people who were born into money inherit their share and turn it into bigger money. Once again it's motivation, planning and foresight along with belief that your success will come if you put in the effort.
I was personally raised dirt poor by an alcoholic single parent. He wasn't afraid to work but it was a vicious cycle of:
A. Get a job because completely broke and unable to pay bills.
B. Get comfortable in job, get to where you can afford to buy cheap whiskey again.
C. Start drinking too much cheap whiskey again, making yourself sick, calling in to work often.
D. Lose job because calling in too often.
E. Get sober and healthy because can't afford to drink yourself sick any more.
F. - Return to A.
I ate, because Dad got food stamps. I had clothes because my grandparents across town were kind enough to buy me "school clothes" once a year. I had a home to sleep in because the landlord was too kind to throw us out when Dad was out of a job, and he always did catch up rent when he did work. Our electric was cut off probably 40% of the time. We only had cold water when we did have water, so during the cold months I got to bathe and wash clothes only because my grandparents across town were kind enough to allow us to do so at their home. I stayed warmish in the winter because I split wood for the stove. We melted in the summer unless the electric was on and I could get a break from the heat by retreating into Dad's computer room where our one window unit was situated.
I had everything I needed, which is much more than many can say, but we had ZERO "wants".
I was convinced that I would be buried like dad because I felt the system was unfair. I watched many of my friends that grew up as poor as I did, end up in prison or dead. I decided that wasn't the way I wanted it to be, and started working my arse off to "beat the system".
It's modest compared to some of you O-T Ballers, but Mrs. Axe and I now make $100k'ish together and have grown kids striking out on their own that we raised in a nice $200k home in a tiny country community. We did it by "fighting the system" as I thought at the time, which ultimately proved to just be playing by the rules and having the sheer will and determination to do better for the kids than we had growing up.
In our "system" some may ultimately do better or worse than others due to many factors including just plain luck, but an overall willingness to just get you hands dirty and put in some effort is what keeps the machine going.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:27 pm to Pechon
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Let's not forget Trump had his hands in some bailouts: LINK
8 trillion added to the debt...
then this..
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As can be seen in this video clip, Pence began speaking on the subject of how red flag laws were one mechanism that might provide "local law enforcement additional tools if an individual is reported to be a potential danger" while still allowing for due process. Trump interrupted and twice expressed the desirability of being able to take firearms away from citizens first and not involving the courts until afterward:
Pence: Well, the category you spoke about Mr. President -- the gun violence restraining orders as they're called -- California actually has a version of this, and I think you ... in your meeting with governors earlier this week, individually and as a group we spoke about the state's taking steps. But the focus is to literally give families and give local law enforcement additional tools if an individual is reported to be a potential danger to themselves or others. Allow due process so that no one's rights are trampled, but [allow] the ability to go to court, obtain an order, and then collect not only the firearms, but any weapons in the possession ...
Trump: We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court, because that's another system. Because a lot of times by the time you go to court ... it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida; he had a lot of fires [and] they saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you're saying but take the guns first, go through due process second.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:28 pm to jamboybarry
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Maybe I understand populism as you define it (progressivism) is the best tool to crush the middle class you claim to care so much about.
I didn't define populism as progressivism. I defined it as a movement that considers how the system works for average people... a movement that considers that.
It's funny, back in the old USSR days, conservatives used to point to thr advantages our middle class had over theirs. Now, the middle class is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why?
I said it in 2016, MAGA will lead "conservatives" into socialism.
It's why you are a druggie idiot.
Trump was an absolute Prez and pissed off the swamp and you ronbot idiots.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:28 pm to rmnldr
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2020 and the Wall Street bailouts destroyed small businesses across the country.
Not to mention the riots trump let run wild burning down mom and pop stores.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You literally supported woke corporations over the little guy.
How so?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:30 pm to TigerAxeOK
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TigerAxeOK
Godspeed brother
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:32 pm to Taurus
Big government Don has been saying over and over DeSantis will take away Medicare and Social Security.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:33 pm to moneyg
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You literally supported woke corporations over the little guy.
How so?
Tariffs, bailouts and covid money.
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23% of small businesses closed in May 2020, at the peak of the pandemic. ...
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Amazon annual gross profit for 2020 was $152.757B, a 32.85% increase from 2019.
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January 2021 study commissioned by the U.S.-China Business Council (USCBC) claims that former president Donald Trump’s trade policies cost the United States 245,000 jobs. As a Reuters news report put it, the USCBC claimed that “a gradual scaling back of tariffs” could help stop the bleeding, while also arguing that a failure to do so would lead to even greater job losses and more sluggish growth.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:34 pm to RiverCityTider
If people live within their means and work hard, everyone could achieve the American Dream. Stop buying things that make you look good on the gram, if you gripe about not owning a home. Ten years in a starter home with hard work can put equity into it and sell at a profit.
Everyone wants instant gratification. People are demanding 6 figure incomes at 25 years old with no knowledge or experience. It takes hard work, stressed days, and sleepless nights (whether it’s studying or working a job), to eventually work to the American dream.
The American Dream is something you earn, not a handout. Just look at all the people on welfare that are able-bodied. They want it given to them, not going out there and accomplishing it.
Everyone wants instant gratification. People are demanding 6 figure incomes at 25 years old with no knowledge or experience. It takes hard work, stressed days, and sleepless nights (whether it’s studying or working a job), to eventually work to the American dream.
The American Dream is something you earn, not a handout. Just look at all the people on welfare that are able-bodied. They want it given to them, not going out there and accomplishing it.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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23% of small businesses closed in May 2020, at the peak of the pandemic. ...
The depth of your analysis is astounding.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:38 pm to moneyg
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The depth of your analysis is astounding.
Its not mine. Its actual data compiled by real economists.
Had you ever taken an economics class, none of this would have to be mansplained to you. Its econ 101
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:38 pm to GBPackTigers
So what your saying is there is nothing wrong with the system. There are 30% "go getters" and 70% " deadbeats" and that explains everything.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 12:39 pm to RiverCityTider
If you want to see what populism does to a State, all that you have to do is take a look at Louisiana.
It breeds strongmen who use corruption and paternalism to use the State as its personal piggy bank.
It breeds strongmen who use corruption and paternalism to use the State as its personal piggy bank.
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