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re: Pope, we must avoid rigid ideologies
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:26 am to faraway
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:26 am to faraway
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the entire position is false
Based on your own interpretation of Scripture, which Peter himself warned could result in the laity twisting its meaning to their own destruction in his second letter.
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Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:28 am to Tesla
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You do forget that part at the end where he admonished the sinners, “Go and sin no more.”
Again, the statement is pretty condemning of the sin, and yes, they are expected to go and sin no more.
What person living in sin and rejecting the teachings of the church is going to approach the church for a blessing in the first place?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:29 am to faraway
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ironic considering the pope has no meaning to Christ. the entire position is false.
As I stated previously, the role or title of pope is never mentioned once in the Bible.
There are no verses describing a position where one man has sole authority over the other pastors, deacons, overseers, etc.
If indeed there had been a position of Pope established, and Peter was this first pope, it would have been mentioned and the occasions where the fellow disciples sought him for counsel would have been recorded.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:31 am to Hopeful Doc
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What person living in sin and rejecting the teachings of the church is going to approach the church for a blessing in the first place?
One that’s hoping to have their lifestyle blessed
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:33 am to faraway
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ironic considering the pope has no meaning to Christ. the entire position is false.
Not ironic. The pope is the head of the RCC. Now, do I think his position is what the RCC proclaims it is? No. I believe in the catholic church….small c. But to deny he is the leader of the OG church is dishonest. Even as a Protestant, I desire for the leader of the RCC to be righteous, just and a true servant of God. A follower of Christ, not a substitute. I don’t think the current man occupying the position is any of those things. But, that’s my opinion. Only God knows his heart. My concern is that he is leading millions down the wrong path.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:36 am to RollTide1987
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Based on your own interpretation of Scripture
There is no position of scripture that states there will be a religious leader in Rome dictating as head of the church. It's not even historically accurate.
Regardless, how can you defend this clown? Anyone who speaks out against sexual deviants is getting removed and replaced. But I guess we misinterpreted what the pope was saying again. Woopsie!
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:36 am to Revelator
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One that’s hoping to have their lifestyle blessed
Outside of the word, “blessing,” can you please offer a single sentence in context from any of the Vatican reporting sites or the actual publication itself that suggests you and the pope don’t agree?
Because everything you have said is practically right in line with what he actually said to the point that I’m starting to find it somewhat humorous.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:38 am to Revelator
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the role or title of pope is never mentioned once in the Bible
I mean...it's there for the entire world to see if you take off your blinders. In Matthew 16, Christ gives Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven as well as the authority to bind and loose. If you actually read the Old Testament and understand ancient Judaism, it becomes clear what Christ is doing to Peter there. He's changing his name (which in the Old Testament denotes a radical change in mission/calling), he's giving him the keys to heaven, which when you read the Old Testament and understand ancient Judaism it becomes clear that he is giving him a royal as well as teaching authority which elevates him over the other Apostles. Finally, he gives him the authority to bind and loose, which reinforces that teaching authority. The other Apostles get that same authority three chapters later, but they do not get the Keys. Those remain exclusively with Peter.
And then Peter exercises that authority over the Church when he delivers the first sermon in the history of Christendom on Pentecost as well as when he makes the ultimate decision on circumcision in the early Church at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:41 am to Revelator
Mathematics is an 'ideology', having a set of truths/rules and principles wherein if applied without fault, becomes a powerful force for understanding and manipulating Empirical Reality. Religious Ideologies - Christianity at the fore - does the same, and like Math, the Principles must be applied flawlessly lest disaster occur in an enterprise which employs said ideology toward a particular/desired end.
If the Pope thinks that changing the basic rules is more important and truthful toward the ultimate desired goal of Christian Ideology, then He should enlighten and persuade those who embrace Christian Principles as defined by Its Founder...Jesus Christ.
Has any Christian of high status before questioned Jesus's original words re damning sexual relationships outside of the natural, family/children principles? I do recall a severe warning about "changing" the words and principles. Seems that is a dangerous spiritual venture for one such as Pope. But that is between Him and Jesus.
IMO, there is no better to understand the Creation of Humanity than by having children. Children who the parents will love enough to sacrifice their own lives for that of their children. People without children will never know this feeling, and that is why relationships without children will always be spiritually inferior to those who follow/'worship' Natural instinct over and above Spiritual Principles (Christianity).
Jesus loved and saved that Prostitute that was being stoned, but He told her the truth. And those who would stone her as well.
To each their own. Only Jesus will make the Judgement that matters...the rest is just temporal and fast fleeting human drama that fades like the morning mists. And that is the best we can hope for, otherwise we are matter mulch and nothing matters.
Happy Birthday Jesus.
If the Pope thinks that changing the basic rules is more important and truthful toward the ultimate desired goal of Christian Ideology, then He should enlighten and persuade those who embrace Christian Principles as defined by Its Founder...Jesus Christ.
Has any Christian of high status before questioned Jesus's original words re damning sexual relationships outside of the natural, family/children principles? I do recall a severe warning about "changing" the words and principles. Seems that is a dangerous spiritual venture for one such as Pope. But that is between Him and Jesus.
IMO, there is no better to understand the Creation of Humanity than by having children. Children who the parents will love enough to sacrifice their own lives for that of their children. People without children will never know this feeling, and that is why relationships without children will always be spiritually inferior to those who follow/'worship' Natural instinct over and above Spiritual Principles (Christianity).
Jesus loved and saved that Prostitute that was being stoned, but He told her the truth. And those who would stone her as well.
To each their own. Only Jesus will make the Judgement that matters...the rest is just temporal and fast fleeting human drama that fades like the morning mists. And that is the best we can hope for, otherwise we are matter mulch and nothing matters.
Happy Birthday Jesus.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:41 am to Hopeful Doc
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Outside of the word, “blessing,” can you please offer a single sentence in context from any of the Vatican reporting sites or the actual publication itself that suggests you and the pope don’t agree?
In the phrase,” I want to kill you” outside of the word ,” kill”, what’s so offensive?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:45 am to Revelator
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In the phrase,” I want to kill you” outside of the word ,” kill”, what’s so offensive?
When you utter it? Not much. You’re a stranger on the internet who seems to have a righteous enough heart to not intend it.
When my wife says it? Well, it’s not offensive. It’s funny. And it’s almost a term of endearment.
When Ted Bundy said it, pretty offensive.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:50 am to Revelator
It means the current Pope is taking the Wide Path to Heaven and his Salvation is not guaranteed. The Bible is very explicit about sins of the Flesh and to allow his Priest to Bless Homosexuals and Trannys is against all the laws of Jesus and the Bible.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:51 am to RollTide1987
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And then Peter exercises that authority over the Church when he delivers the first sermon in the history of Christendom on Pentecost as well as when he makes the ultimate decision on circumcision in the early Church at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.
Why is there never a mention from any of the New Testament writers where they tell followers to seek Peter for answers on doctrinal issues?
It seems like Paul is giving instructions from his own understanding and not seeking outside advice.
Paul even writes a story about having to confront Peter to his face for his hypocrisy.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:51 am to Revelator
Sounds islamophobic.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:53 am to catholictigerfan
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Matthew 16:13-20 (Jesus gives authority to Peter
So painful. No serious Bible scholar thinks Jesus was referring to anyone but himself re “rock” here. And in any event to go from that to some successor in Rome (Antioch would make more sense). And from that to authority over the other apostles and their “successors”?
All nonBiblical dog vomit.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:54 am to Revelator
Oh look. Another “all Catholics are going to Hell” thread from Revelator. 
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:57 am to Godfather1
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Oh look. Another “all Catholics are going to Hell” thread from Revelator.
I’ve never said that, nor implied it. But thanks for the hyperbole.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:58 am to Stitches
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So many Catholics want so badly to become Orthodox.
I fixed it for you
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:58 am to Revelator
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As I stated previously, the role or title of pope is never mentioned once in the Bible.
The role of "steward", which was a successive office, was mentioned in scripture.
You know what isn't mentioned in scripture? The canon of scripture, faith alone, irresistible grace, salvation being permanent, denominationalism being permissible, the rapture, and so many more things that Protestants cling to. Which also kinda contradicts the whole scripture alone doctrine.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 9:00 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:01 am to Stitches
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You know what isn't mentioned in scripture? The canon of scripture, faith alone, irresistible grace, salvation being permanent, denominationalism being permissible, the rapture, and so many more things that Protestants cling to. Which also kinda contradicts the whole scripture alone doctrine.
Says the RCC.
It’s very convenient for one organization to proclaim it has all authority over what is and isn’t biblical truth. And to later say, anything not specifically mentioned in scripture that has become church doctrine has been passed down by oral tradition.
Very convenient.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 9:09 am
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