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re: Pompeo: Saudi oil attacks an 'act of war' by Iran

Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:50 pm to
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I'd rather leave this to the arabs and persians.


And if the Saudis decide they have plenty of money, and NBD, just bring on the 5.00 per gallon gas for cwill, every time the Iranians decide to fling a little shite, right?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 2:56 pm to
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And if the Saudis decide they have plenty of money, and NBD, just bring on the 5.00 per gallon gas for cwill, every time the Iranians decide to fling a little shite, right?




First, I don't believe this was a direct attack by Iran, but a Houthi attack aided by Iran.

Second, the result of this attack was a 1 day bump in oil prices up to what they had been around July of this year and they have quickly retreated.

Third, the Saudis don't have "plenty of money" to allow that much production to go off line. The only thing that keeps the royals in place is the massive welfare system that is funded by oil production.

Fourth, the Saudis have a military, an air force, they can handle up or negotiate a settlement/peace with the Persians.

Fifth, final, if a total war breaks out and supply is massively disrupted, we will likely see all of the power nations step up to secure the flow of oil and force a peace...I don't think we should be the lead tackler on this.
Posted by Diamondawg
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:28 pm to
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So this is an act of war, but Saudi Arabia using our weapons and money to drone bomb and kill thousands of Yemeni civilians isn't? Are the Houthi's supposed to stand aside and let Saudi Arabia install a regime comprised of members of Al-Islah? That's the Yemeni equivalent of the Muslim Brotherhood. Our obsession with Iran makes zero sense to me when the Saudi's are the true evil.


If a true libertarian, why would you care what Saudi Arabia does to people in Yemen?
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:33 pm to
The puppets have received their orders from the puppet master
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:46 pm to
Because the justification for us entering the conflict is always stopping the big bad enemy, in this case Iran. As cwill said, this attack was likely done by Yemeni Houthi's, who have been subjected to constant bombing by the Saudi's with our money and weapons. This attack isn't an act of aggression, it's one of self-defense. And we have zero business doing anything over there. But you won't hear any of this on Fox, MSNBC or CNN because the Saudi's own us.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:47 pm to
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If a true libertarian, why would you care what Saudi Arabia does to people in Yemen?


I don't think his comment relates to being or not being a libertarian. It's just an observation.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 3:47 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:02 pm to
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First, I don't believe this was a direct attack by Iran, but a Houthi attack aided by Iran.


What difference does Iran, or Iran by proxy make? Is it going to hurt the American consumer any less?

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Second, the result of this attack was a 1 day bump in oil prices up to what they had been around July of this year and they have quickly retreated.


And what happens to the price if SA decides to attack Iran? What if Britain or the US decide to attack Iran? Just a one day blip, so give them carte blanche?

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Third, the Saudis don't have "plenty of money" to allow that much production to go off line. The only thing that keeps the royals in place is the massive welfare system that is funded by oil production.


You aren’t really trying to sell me the idea that the Saudi’s aren’t incredibly, fantastically wealthy, are you?

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Fourth, the Saudis have a military, an air force, they can handle up or negotiate a settlement/peace with the Persians.



Or not. Shouldn’t the Iranians have to spend at least as much rebuilding, as the American consumer had to pay extra at the pump for their bullshite? Our money is free huh?

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Fifth, final, if a total war breaks out and supply is massively disrupted, we will likely see all of the power nations step up to secure the flow of oil and force a peace...I don't think we should be the lead tackler on this.



I didn’t say we should. I said if Trump allows Iran to harm Americans, and therefore the American economy with impunity, he is risking his base of support. The fact that you folks refuse to admit that Iran just implemented the only effective economic sanctions available to them against the American people is troublesome. It’s also reason number 345,737 why I could never be a liberal-tarian.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:25 pm to
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What difference does Iran, or Iran by proxy make? Is it going to hurt the American consumer any less?


You're being the I B Freeman of oil.


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I said if Trump allows Iran to harm Americans, and therefore the American economy with impunity, he is risking his base of support.


I'll go out on a limb and say he loses more support if we engage Iran.

Let the Saudis handle it.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:46 pm to
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I'll go out on a limb and say he loses more support if we engage Iran.


Your metaphor is more apropos than you care to admit, since libertarians can’t get a dog catcher elected. You’re way out on that limb if you think that’s where Trump’s strength comes from. Look at this place. Many, if not most of you libertarian types are as never Trump as democrats.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:57 pm to
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Look at this place. Many, if not most of you libertarian types are as never Trump as democrats.


Saving this for the shits and giggles.



Your entire argument is so weak that you resort to calling someone a NeverTrumper



You're probably a Saudi
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 7:14 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41039 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:03 pm to
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Many, if not most of you libertarian types are as never Trump as democrats.

Trump is closer to the Rand Paul wing of the party on foreign policy than the Bush/Romney/McCain wing, which has absolutely nothing to do with actual conservatism.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:08 pm to
frick.
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:11 pm to
Tell him to tell the kingdom to go to war then.
Posted by Porky
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:17 pm to
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Pompeo: Saudi oil attacks an 'act of war' by Iran

Complete and total bullshite.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:20 pm to
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Trump is closer to the Rand Paul wing of the party on foreign policy than the Bush/Romney/McCain wing, which has absolutely nothing to do with actual conservatism.


I wouldn’t say he is very close to either, since he’s managed to get himself elected, and has been very successful with his agenda. If Trump is philosophically anything like Rand Paul, why hasn’t Rand Paul ever shown any appeal across the country? You guys want to glom yourselves on to the Trump revolution, but you oppose much of the agenda, just like you always have the conservative agenda. Trump’s popularity just has you folks wanting to co-opt it, giving yourselves credit for a good part of it, and it just isn’t so.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41039 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:22 pm to
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If Trump is philosophically anything like Rand Paul, why hasn’t Rand Paul ever shown any appeal across the country? 

Because the average American wants to be ruled, despite their pinings about freedom and liberty.

Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
Member since Sep 2014
1740 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:25 pm to
A measured response in the form of a kinetic strike against Iranian assets would ok i think. It certainly doesnt mean we will be at war lol. Even if a prolonged fire/couter fire fight took place we'd never put troops in Iran.

Besides we still owe those assholes for the EFPs that killed hundreds of US Soldiers.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:37 pm to
Because the average American wants to be ruled, despite their pinings about freedom and liberty.

Right, so we elected Trump. Just remember, if you abandon him for tightening our borders and kicking a little arse when warranted, you libertarians will be dry humping Tulsi posters, and fantasizing about how the MIC would assassinate Rand Paul for the next 4 years.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41039 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:40 pm to
Get some help dude. Seriously, your hate for people who advocate for small government is ridiculous. Rand Paul is one of Trump's biggest allies in the Senate, much more so than the GOPe types you probably voted for in every election before 2016.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69367 posts
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:44 pm to
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t hate actual libertarians. There’s been a really bad trend on this board of liberal shill trolls posing as concerned libertarians while actively supporting every progressive talking point on the planet.
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