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Political awakening
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:12 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:12 am
Let’s assume that Obamagate and other current “conspiracy theories” are shown to have occurred by definitive/undeniable proof (for the record I believe they will). What then? I’m not talking about the players going to jail...what happens to overall politics in general?
Do we see the rise of additional parties?
Do we see the Republicans seize total power (and eventually get totally corrupted)?
Do we see an attempt to reconcile and bring the nation together?
We know that there were players on both sides involved and that the root evil is based on the “elites” vs the commoners (voters). I just wonder what path we take as a nation and wanted to see what you all thought.
Do we see the rise of additional parties?
Do we see the Republicans seize total power (and eventually get totally corrupted)?
Do we see an attempt to reconcile and bring the nation together?
We know that there were players on both sides involved and that the root evil is based on the “elites” vs the commoners (voters). I just wonder what path we take as a nation and wanted to see what you all thought.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:16 am to Shamwow
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Do we see the Republicans seize total power (and eventually get totally corrupted)?
1) Republicans haven't been able to seize anything, even when they have had complete control of all relevant governing entities
2) If you don't think the GOP is corrupt, you've got some waking up to do. It's not just the Democrats
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:19 am to Fonzarelli
Nothing changes, maybe Repubs get a higher percentage to the polls, take back the House, but that’s it...will swing back by midterms and the lying, deceit, and more impeachment trials from Dems...
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:19 am to Fonzarelli
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If you don't think the GOP is corrupt, you've got some waking up to do. It's not just the Democrats
This. These GOPe types are the sell-outs that promote one-sided "free trade" agreements and unlimited illegal immigration that hallow out the middle class. They are worse than Democrats because at least you know Dems are working against hard-working Americans.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 8:23 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:20 am to Shamwow
A lot of Republicans are going to come out looking bad too if the full scale of corruption is released.
That’s why a guy like Lindsey Graham doesn’t actually want the truth to come out.
That’s why a guy like Lindsey Graham doesn’t actually want the truth to come out.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:21 am to Fonzarelli
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1) Republicans haven't been able to seize anything, even when they have had complete control of all relevant governing entities
2) If you don't think the GOP is corrupt, you've got some waking up to do. It's not just the Democrats
Well, my premise is that there would be undeniable evidence to show a completely corrupt Democratic Party which would cause most D’s to reconsider allegiance. I also never said R’s aren’t corrupt - however, they are not in power so they haven’t (can’t) shown to be totally corrupt. I’m certainly not naive to political corruption.
Do you have any thoughts to the question?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:23 am to Shamwow
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Let’s assume that Obamagate and other current “conspiracy theories” are shown to have occurred by definitive/undeniable proof
No need to assume!
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:24 am to Shamwow
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Do we see the Republicans seize total power (and eventually get totally corrupted)?
Eventually????
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:26 am to PorkSammich
We can only hope that people keep getting burned by the leaders and finally wake up. But, the news tells them what to care about, it will never change.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:28 am to Abadeebadaba
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We can only hope that people keep getting burned by the leaders and finally wake up. But, the news tells them what to care about, it will never change.
That is my hope as well. I truly hope that the media is held accountable for propagating the discourse.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:28 am to Shamwow
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they are not in power so they haven’t (can’t) shown to be totally corrupt. I’m certainly not naive to political corruption.
This is why we are in trouble. The GOPe have had power multiple times and never addressed the things they were elected to do. Instead, they make hollow claims to be thwarted by Dems and instead use their energy to help multi-national corporations who spend lits of lobbying dollars in them.
It isn't GOP vs. Dems anymore. It's Washington elite vs. average American citizens.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:32 am to Shamwow
Nothing truly changes until there is a reformation in the press. As long as the dominant media in this country run cover for Democrats/liberals/progressives/criminals in this country, it's going to be a constant struggle. Reporters, by and large, are not journalists. They are not objective and don't even pretend to be.
Reporters are activist zealots. As such, they will not be swayed from their views. They can be fired, though, but who's gonna do it?
Reporters are activist zealots. As such, they will not be swayed from their views. They can be fired, though, but who's gonna do it?
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:32 am to SlackMaster
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It isn't GOP vs. Dems anymore. It's Washington elite vs. average American citizens.
Completely agree...and that’s why I wonder if anything will change.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:34 am to Shamwow
Enact term limits. They are mostly on the same team D and R and they won’t allow a third party to emerge. The press has played into their hands. We need term limits to stop idiots from setting up camp for 30 years. It was never intended to be a career but a service. Get together on that
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:43 am to Shamwow
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Let’s assume that Obamagate and other current “conspiracy theories” are shown to have occurred by definitive/undeniable proof (for the record I believe they will).
For the record, they already have.
Lois Lerner had umpteen meetings in the White House while the IRS was being weaponized against conservatives. It wasn't to play pinochle.
Obama wingman Holder and his DOJ, absolutely allowed weapons to walk across the border to Mexico, which resulted in the death of at least one American, and who knows how many Mexicans. That's a crime for which you or I would get life in prison, at the very least.
Spying? FISA abuse? Yeah, 100% proven.
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What then? I’m not talking about the players going to jail...what happens to overall politics in general?
Not much. The republicans are too pussified to put people in jail over it, and socialist democrats absolutely agree with the Alinsky philosophy of "any means necessary." All will be forgotten, with the help of their propaganda arm, the media, of course.
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Do we see the rise of additional parties?
What would that address? Who is going to be willing to take a generations worth of political losses for their "parent" party, and give total control of the government to the opposition during that time?
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Do we see the Republicans seize total power (and eventually get totally corrupted)?
Maybe for a cycle or two. By the time Trump's second term is over, conservative voters will be realizing how little of their agenda was actually implemented, mostly because suckass republican politicians, and it will be the republicans turn to stay at home. We'll have another Marxist/socialist come to save humanity, and make all the media's legs tingle.
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Do we see an attempt to reconcile and bring the nation together?
That will never happen without a revolution. We have one party that mostly pays lip service to our founding principles and documents. The other openly opposes those founding principles and documents, wants to destroy them, and the country they created. Reconcile? War is much more likely.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:51 am to troyt37
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troyt37
Regarding the party splitting - I don’t think it will happen out of desire but due to polarization. I believe the D’s will split if and when Trump wins a second term. The moderates will blame the socialist and vice versa. They are broken. I also think there will be some swampy R’s that will jump ship as well and join the more moderate Dems.
Just my thoughts on it.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:52 am to SlackMaster
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It isn't GOP vs. Dems anymore. It's Washington elite vs. average American citizens
So much this. Jesse Ventura said that politics is like wrestling. In front of the cameras they’re mortal enemies. Behind the scenes they’re part of the same elite club.
Trump can’t do it all alone. When he goes away after his 8 years are up what happens then?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:54 am to Shamwow
Scandals, overt criminality, and "undeniable proof", are irrelevant, S. This is Dem SOP, and will be for the duration; because the Dem Base APPROVES of this double standard as a 'whatever it takes' justification. Transnational Progressivism believes that Capitalism (Constitutional, Individual Freedom Principle) is morally corrupt...and all that flows from it is essentially evil. They will not abandon the struggle for 'social justice'; they'll double down to take down our unique and short-lived Constitutional Republic in order to "fundamentally transform" it.
The Board is right as usual...most of the Republican Party will protest, but offer little to no REAL resistance to the corrupt Dems. The sham/fraudulent Meuller/Muh Russia *investigation* is proof positive; R's mouthed off...while the atrocious witch hunt, soft coup...chugged along. Dems won the House.
The Dems have succeeded in getting the 'needle in the arm' of MOST of the populous...via the CV shutdown. The Founders rued the day that the public realized that they could "write themselves a check out of the Treasury"...and that day has now passed. The Dem Party Base is now more solid that ever; based on the idea that they CAN - and should - get a check in the mail for just existing. Civic responsibility nws.
I have no idea as to "what path" we will take. Variables are off the scale. China being a major one; they lost trust and good faith by WILLFULLY dumping that pernicious contagion in the World's lap - and are going to lost their manufacturing-based economy, and crash. What they will do - we know they are amoral and ruthless - will factor into our own future. Regime change hopefully; Iran too.
Strap in. Rough seas ahead. But we perform best when challenged anyway.
The Board is right as usual...most of the Republican Party will protest, but offer little to no REAL resistance to the corrupt Dems. The sham/fraudulent Meuller/Muh Russia *investigation* is proof positive; R's mouthed off...while the atrocious witch hunt, soft coup...chugged along. Dems won the House.
The Dems have succeeded in getting the 'needle in the arm' of MOST of the populous...via the CV shutdown. The Founders rued the day that the public realized that they could "write themselves a check out of the Treasury"...and that day has now passed. The Dem Party Base is now more solid that ever; based on the idea that they CAN - and should - get a check in the mail for just existing. Civic responsibility nws.
I have no idea as to "what path" we will take. Variables are off the scale. China being a major one; they lost trust and good faith by WILLFULLY dumping that pernicious contagion in the World's lap - and are going to lost their manufacturing-based economy, and crash. What they will do - we know they are amoral and ruthless - will factor into our own future. Regime change hopefully; Iran too.
Strap in. Rough seas ahead. But we perform best when challenged anyway.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:55 am to troyt37
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Obama wingman Holder and his DOJ, absolutely allowed weapons to walk across the border to Mexico, which resulted in the death of at least one American, and who knows how many Mexicans. That's a crime for which you or I would get life in prison, at the very least.
They were running guns to ISIS too. With tragic results at Benghazi for Christopher Stevens and 3 others.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:05 am to Shamwow
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Do we see an attempt to reconcile and bring the nation together?
This is ONLY asked when R's have power;
when D's have power, we're told 'elections have consequences'.
MI voters are finding out the hard way... elections DO have consequences.
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