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Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:51 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Why else would you think religious freedom and separation of church and state applies to all employers?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:54 pm to idlewatcher
quote:Not true in 99% of IAD departments, especially NYC.
"Once some IAD squad begins to investigate you, even if you have an immaculate record as a cop, they dig until they find something that they can point to as being misconduct or corruption," said former police detective Sid Franes, who worked with a former IAD lieutenant in New York.
quote:It was a BBQ with a 45 minute prayer service in the middle that no one had to stay for. He should have went or simply sent someone to represent.
In 2010 the FBI notified the Islamic Society of a threat against it. Over the
following months TPD worked to protect the mosque and the school next door. When
the threat was over, the Islamic Society decided to hold an event to thank TPD for its
help.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:58 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Ok, this is their invitation
Looks like the cop might just be a dick
quote:
Casual Come & Go Atmosphere
Come enjoy a Buffet of American & Ethnic Foods:
Brownies & baklava
Baked chicken & Chicken Tikka Masala
Lots more!
Mosque Tours: 15 minutes or an hour- it’s up to you!
Meet Local Muslims & Leadership
Watch the 2-2:45pm weekly congregational prayer service
Presentations upon request: beliefs, human rights, women
All questions welcome!
Looks like the cop might just be a dick
Posted on 10/14/14 at 3:58 pm to genro
quote:Don't forget about the National Guard not going to Vacation Bible School.
he law center's lead counsel, Richard Thompson, said in a statement: “This case is another startling example of applying a double standard when Christian civil rights are involved. If this were a Catholic or Protestant prayer event, I am positive no Muslim police officer would have been ordered to attend. Further, no federal court would have approved the punishment of a Muslim officer had he refused to attend.”
quote:LINK
“We were told it was against military policy for National Guard troops to participate in Vacation Bible School,” Pastor Hogan said. “They said if the National Guard had assets on church property it would look like the National Guard is sponsoring the Baptist religion.”
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:08 pm to genro
quote:
Looks like the cop might just be a dick
Yea, peep my first post in this thread. Being overdramatic like some of the atheists who bitch about the smallest shite just because they want an audience to hear their platform.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:14 pm to genro
quote:
Watch the 2-2:45pm weekly congregational prayer service
Sounds pretty religious to me.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Well there's some grey area. The court filing is long and pedantic, but it goes into the back-and-forth between captain and sergeant, and also details the well-attended fun event. But it seems there was some informal "proselytizing." Kind of like "Hey guys enjoy this food and have fun and hey by the way we're gonna pray and talk about how awesome Muhammad is if that's cool. If not, whatever, just enjoy yourself." It's almost like one of those timeshare pitches where they wine-and-dine you and then try to sell you on something, but hey no big deal. 
I don't think there was anything radical. I think that sort of "soft proselytizing" occurs in all sorts of functions at Christian churches under same circumstances. And they may have truly just been trying to educate. And you can't know how strong the proselytizing will be until you attend. I just think it's an interesting grey area.
I don't think there was anything radical. I think that sort of "soft proselytizing" occurs in all sorts of functions at Christian churches under same circumstances. And they may have truly just been trying to educate. And you can't know how strong the proselytizing will be until you attend. I just think it's an interesting grey area.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:15 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:The event was hosted in the Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque
he was punished for for objecting to an order requiring him either to attend or to order subordinates to attend a law-enforcement appreciation event hosted by the Islamic Society of Tulsa.
quote:quote:You're such a liar.
Police captain punished for refusing to attend Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:18 pm to idlewatcher
He wasn't asked to attend Muslim services...it was an appreciation event for the cops protecting the mosque after receiving threats. The event was not a religious service. The invitation provided:
You should read the case - he was punished for refusing to follow orders. A cop goon complaining about the gov making him do something he didn't want to do...
And this was in Tulsa - maybe the whitest town in America.
quote:
Casual Come & Go Atmosphere
Come enjoy a Buffet of American & Ethnic Foods:
Brownies & baklava
Baked chicken & Chicken Tikka Masala
Lots more!
Mosque Tours: 15 minutes or an hour- it’s up to you!
Meet Local Muslims & Leadership
Watch the 2-2:45pm weekly congregational prayer service
Presentations upon request: beliefs, human rights, women
All questions welcome!
You should read the case - he was punished for refusing to follow orders. A cop goon complaining about the gov making him do something he didn't want to do...
And this was in Tulsa - maybe the whitest town in America.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:18 pm to the808bass
quote:The court filing says of the 150 cops who attended the event, only one stayed for the prayer service. Seems like it really was a "come and go" atmosphere.
Sounds pretty religious to me.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:18 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque
Do we have a link to that?
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:19 pm to FT
quote:
It sounds like he should have just gone and complained later.
Agreed, but he was essentially a contentious objector of sorts it appears.
quote:
Sounds like he shouldn't have been forced to go.
Will be interesting to see if this makes it up there to the SC. This was dated in 2011 so it's been a few years. What in god's name do these people do in the interim? Your career was being a cop so maybe he took another cop job with another part of the city.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:19 pm to genro
quote:
Well there's some grey area. The court filing is long and pedantic, but it goes into the back-and-forth between captain and sergeant, and also details the well-attended fun event. But it seems there was some informal "proselytizing." Kind of like "Hey guys enjoy this food and have fun and hey by the way we're gonna pray and talk about how awesome Muhammad is if that's cool. If not, whatever, just enjoy yourself." It's almost like one of those timeshare pitches where they wine-and-dine you and then try to sell you on something, but hey no big deal.
I don't think there was anything radical. I think that sort of "soft proselytizing" occurs in all sorts of functions at Christian churches under same circumstances. And they may have truly just been trying to educate. And you can't know how strong the proselytizing will be until you attend. I just think it's an interesting grey area.
I agree. I don't think the cop should have lost his job over this though tbh. And lord knows I don't defend cops on here often
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:26 pm to genro
quote:
The court filing says of the 150 cops who attended the event, only one stayed for the prayer service. Seems like it really was a "come and go" atmosphere.
Yeah. I get that. I'm just reasonably sure that they wouldn't have done the same for an event at a Baptist church that had a sermon in the middle.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:26 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
You're such a liar.
1.I don't lie
2.I didn't write the article. You are, however, free to come up with your own delusional conclusion.
quote:
So he was punished for for objecting to an order requiring him either to attend or to order subordinates to attend a law-enforcement appreciation event hosted by the Islamic Society of Tulsa.
So when he signed on to Tulsa PD, he signed a contract agreeing to attend regardless if it was outside of his 1st Amendment rights? Well, I suppose we'll see if the SC will deem the TPD as culpable.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:27 pm to the808bass
quote:
quote:
Watch the 2-2:45pm weekly congregational prayer service
Sounds pretty religious to me.
He didn't have to watch...he could've eaten some baklava and split.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:27 pm to the808bass
quote:Agreed.
I'm just reasonably sure that they wouldn't have done the same for an event at a Baptist church that had a sermon in the middle.
Could a Baptist church provide a banquet for public school students even if they promised to be totally secular? Doubtful.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:28 pm to cwill
quote:
He didn't have to watch...he could've eaten some baklava and split.
He did have to attend. Which is stupid. We all know that.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:29 pm to genro
quote:
Could a Baptist church provide a banquet for public school students even if they promised to be totally secular? Doubtful.
No.
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