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re: Pick an answer: Tariffs ____

Posted on 4/3/25 at 4:39 am to
Posted by mjfrog93
Member since Aug 2018
1325 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 4:39 am to
Since your multiple choice options are fairy tales...

E) So Padme can look like a douche while the rest of America prospers on tariff plans that are nothing but a reflection of the tariffs placed on American products over the last few decades. Would you like to see my option F?
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20453 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 4:58 am to
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D) are exactly wtf Trump said he would do, he’s been completely transparent, and is about to implement exactly what he F’ing said he would do


^this
Posted by David Fellows
Chicago but Georgia on my mind
Member since Mar 2024
1578 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:43 am to
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And its already working


Yep

Countries starting to pull tariffs. It's almost as if Trump knows what he's doing
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 6:43 am
Posted by Deacon
Miami, FL
Member since Dec 2009
250 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:30 am to
C & D and a little of E - America is tired of being the piggybank of the world to push the globalist agenda.
Posted by Lutcher Lad
South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Member since Sep 2009
7129 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:33 am to
Definitely D and I think if everyone would get behind his tactics we will achieve fairness in regard to trade like no one has ever seen.
If the stupid Democrats would just get out of his way, we'd all be better off!
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
27918 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:35 am to
E) _______________

FAFO

It's his message to "The World", stop taking advantage of our kindness.

Most of these countries would go broke without the US consumption of their products, they will all cave at some point.

And Trump knows it
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26945 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:37 am to
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E) are taxes


This is the correct answer. Most people would never try to simplify that argument down to "are taxes bad or good", yet they try to when you use a particular method of taxation.

Taxes can be used to influence behavior, produce revenue, punish certain industries; they can be used for all sorts of things. Some good, some bad. It's not the tax, it's:
- what are you trying to accomplish with it
- does it do that
- do the benefits outweigh the damage?
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43027 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:39 am to
C and E) from C, lower interest rates enough so that CommercialRE doesnt eat shite
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10674 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:42 am to
E. Tariffs hurt domestic consumers and benefit domestic producers. Pick which one you would like to prioritize and chose accordingly.

Proponents of tariffs don't understand enough about them to understand that they aren't going to get more American jobs and greater national security AND countries caving and dropping their tariffs. It's one or the other.

If the goal is free trade, then countries dropping their tariffs and caving is victory.

If the goal is more American jobs and greater national security, it's defeat.

It's also Globalism. It's basically NAFTA over the whole globe.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10674 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:45 am to
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E) _______________

FAFO

It's his message to "The World", stop taking advantage of our kindness.

Most of these countries would go broke without the US consumption of their products, they will all cave at some point.

And Trump knows it


So you want free trade, then.

You are not worried about Globalism, American jobs, or national security (or at least, using tariffs to shore up national security). You like NAFTA and want to see it spread to China and the EU and Japan.

See, it just depends on what you want.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10674 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:50 am to
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C is the only scenario that has a positive outcome so I'll try to be optimistic and say C


But again, that's only if you like free trade, aren't worried about Globalism, would like to see NAFTA extended all over the planet, and do not feel like we need tariffs to solve national security concerns.

If you disagree with any of the above, then C would not be a positive outcome for you.

If you think we need to bring manufacturing back to America, you don't want other countries to drop their tariffs. You want Japan, China, and S. Korea to send back a fortune cookie that says, "Trump is asshoe."

If that's your goal, you LIKE that the EU is considering blocking out American products altogether.

Because escalating the tariffs is the only way manufacturing is coming back here. If everybody drops their tariffs there will only be a greater outflow.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26945 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:51 am to
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It's one or the other.



Good luck with that message getting through.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10674 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:53 am to
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Tariffs are great bargaining tools to create behavior beneficial to the USA.


O.k., but you have to decide what that behavior is, because the different potential response behaviors produce opposite effects.

That's why I'm making all of these posts. You guys don't get to declare victory no matter what the outcome is.

Do you want more American jobs and national security from the tariffs or do you want more free trade, Globalism, and extending NAFTA over the globe?

Which of those is "behavior beneficial to the USA" in your opinion?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10674 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:54 am to
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Good luck with that message getting through.


Yeah, I know.

But if I'm going to post anything, it might as well be this, and I'm not quite ready to go to the gym this morning, so...

This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 7:56 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93850 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:58 am to
Can we get some math on how much more we are gonna pay in taxes due to the evil tariffs

Just because you keep repeating the same line of bullshite doesnt make it true
Posted by RileyFreeman
Member since Apr 2021
63 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:04 am to
E. Set the new floor for the price of goods.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
27918 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:06 am to
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So you want free trade, then.


So you want Madagascar charging us 47% but it's unfair to charge them anything ?

How about China 37% - Think of the money Walmart pays in Tariffs

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10674 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:07 am to
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Can we get some math on how much more we are gonna pay in taxes due to the evil tariffs

Just because you keep repeating the same line of bullshite doesnt make it true


I didn't say that.

Where did I say that on this thread?

You must be confused (I know that must happen to you frequently) and think you are responding to someone else.

if not and you're just lying, then you're right, me saying something doesn't make it true.

The fact that it is simple common sense makes it true.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93850 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:10 am to
Oh look deflection

Zero math ever. Tariffs evil. Orange bad

Just another day with the Ronbot clown cult
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10674 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:13 am to
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So you want Madagascar charging us 47% but it's unfair to charge them anything ?

How about China 37% - Think of the money Walmart pays in Tariffs


I didn't say it was bad to want free trade.

I want free trade myself. Everybody dropping the tariffs is the best outcome possible and the only valid reason for this tariff gambit. I'm happy if that happens.

But I'm also not obsessed with "Bringing American manufacturing jobs back," I roll my eyes every time someone here posts "Globalism" and then spits through forked fingers, and I believe that there are better was to ensure national security than using tariffs.

if you agree with the above then there is no reason to apologize for being happy that other countries are dropping their tariffs. No sarcasm, straight up.

If you don't believe in that paragraph above, then you are cheering for what you claim to abhor, because countries dropping tariffs will not bring back any manufacturing, ensure any national security, and it is extending NAFTA globally. It is literally Globalism.

So if you, like me, think all of the conspiracy nonsense about "Globalism" is silly, cheer away. If not, though, you should realize what you're cheering for.
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