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re: PhD student detained by ICE wearing plain clothes and face masks
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:58 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:58 am to wackatimesthree
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I'm guessing, just like you are.
I'm not guessing. The available information says she's being detained in Louisiana.
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:59 am to 4cubbies
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I'm not guessing.
There's that assumption again.
We'll see how it shakes out for you.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:13 am to wackatimesthree
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You assume she's being unfairly detained,
What makes you say that? I've stated nothing but facts. She's being detained in Louisiana and has not been charged with anything.
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you assume that law enforcement shouldn't be trusted,
I do not trust any agents of the government, especially not law enforcement.
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you're operating on plenty of assumptions.
I'm operating off zero assumptions. I'm not sure why you're so desperate to paint me like I am.
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Not the least of which is that you assume that if you act like you're the one being objective here it makes you look better/smarter/more virtuous.
Seriously? I'm always called names including stupid, retard, moron, etc. regardless of what I post. I never post anything in an attempt to appeal to the feral posters here.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:15 am to theballguy
Why are we educating our ideological enemies! 
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:19 am to 4cubbies
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has not been charged with anything.
How do you know this? They do not have to report visa violations to media or public.
According to grok
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What the INA SaysThe INA—codified in 8 U.S.C.—lays out detention and removal powers, like Section 236 (8 U.S.C. § 1226) for apprehending violators and Section 237 (8 U.S.C. § 1227) for deportable offenses (e.g., visa overstays). But nowhere—across its 1952 text or amendments—does it mandate publishing a detainee’s alleged violation. Section 236(a) lets ICE detain pending proceedings, and Section 240 (8 U.S.C. § 1229a) sets hearing rules, but there’s no clause saying, “Tell the public why.” Contrast this with criminal law—say, 18 U.S.C. § 3148 for bail—where charges often hit public dockets. Immigration’s civil, not criminal, so the INA treats it as an internal process.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:20 am to Reeaholic
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How do you know this? They do not have to report visa violations to media or public.
Her attorney said she hasn't been charged with anything. I suppose it's possible there are secret charges that she's not allowed to know about? not sure how that works.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:23 am to 4cubbies
Charges or violations? Different. Charges are public info, violations aren’t for visa holders.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:29 am to 4cubbies
Again, charges are not the same as violations. Charges equal criminal and violations equal civil. Immigration is civil. Has the lawyer said she had no violations told to him? ICE does have to inform him/her of violations and a notice to appear.
Sounds to me lawyer is playing word games for sympathy.
Sounds to me lawyer is playing word games for sympathy.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:38 am to Flats
In some things right, in some things left I would think so.
It's good to be progressive on some issues (mostly minor ones and where it could realistically work) and conservative on others (mostly areas where what works, works well and for a reason and there's no good reason to change it).
Just my opinion though.
It's good to be progressive on some issues (mostly minor ones and where it could realistically work) and conservative on others (mostly areas where what works, works well and for a reason and there's no good reason to change it).
Just my opinion though.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:42 am to Stidham8
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You're assuming she's going to go on a plane. No information has been released that indicates she is going to be deported.
Uhm, Trump has openly spoken about deporting pro hamas radicals on these campuses.
They’re political operatives of the left here via student visas. They can be taken away. They’re not citizens
Agreed. Grok agrees also:
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1. Visa Revocation
Legal Basis: The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) Section 212(a)(3)(B) deems individuals inadmissible if they engage in terrorist activities, including endorsing or espousing terrorist activity, persuading others to support it, or providing material support to a terrorist organization (designated or undesignated). The Department of State has broad authority under INA Section 221(i) to revoke a visa if such activities are confirmed.
Process: If evidence emerges—say, through public statements, social media posts, or participation in events supporting a group like Hamas (a U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization)—the State Department can revoke the visa without prior notice. The student would be informed after the fact, often through their school or immigration authorities.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:45 am to Reeaholic
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Again, charges are not the same as violations. Charges equal criminal and violations equal civil. Immigration is civil. Has the lawyer said she had no violations told to him? ICE does have to inform him/her of violations and a notice to appear.
She didn't get a notice to appear. They detained her on the street.
I believe ICE claimed she supported Hamas but no details were given as to how she supported them.
This seems so much like McCarthyism to me.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:49 am to 4cubbies
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What exactly did she do that you disagree with? I haven't been able to find any concrete information about why she's being detained.
The allegation is that she engaged in activities that support a terrorist organization that has killed Americans.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:54 am to 4cubbies
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She didn't get a notice to appear. They detained her on the street.
How do you know this? Article only mentioned lawyer saying no charges. He knows the difference especially as an immigration lawyer. He’s likely playing word games.
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I believe ICE claimed she supported Hamas but no details were given as to how she supported them.
By law they do not have to report this. Since Trump has went on deportation kick, 0.1% of student visa holders have been detained/deported. A likely 80% due to overstays. Most of the rest due to work violations and or failure to meet class hour requirements. We’ve maybe 2-3 of these terrorist support detainments and claiming McCarthyism? There are 1.1 to 1.5 million student visa holders. 2 or 3 so far doesn’t quite equate to McCarthyism in my book.
I agree to have skepticism, as it’s needed to hold government accountable but you’re allowing your biases cloud your skepticism. You’re trusting a lawyer that’s paid to play his/her client as a victim. Be skeptical of him/her and ask why he used the word charges instead of violations?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:56 am to 4cubbies
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She didn't get a notice to appear. They detained her on the street.
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Process: If evidence emerges—say, through public statements, social media posts, or participation in events supporting a group like Hamas (a U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization)—the State Department can revoke the visa without prior notice. The student would be informed after the fact, often through their school or immigration authorities.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 11:25 am to 4cubbies
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I'm operating off zero assumptions.
So what is this?
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I do not trust any agents of the government, especially not law enforcement.
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What makes you say that?
Your posts so far, including the one above where you admit that you operate off the assumption that law enforcement can't be trusted.
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Seriously? I'm always called names including stupid, retard, moron, etc. regardless of what I post. I never post anything in an attempt to appeal to the feral posters here.
I didn't say you were appealing to them. I said you were operating off the assumption that you are better than them, and that your "objective" I'm-not-jumping-to-any-conclusions-here narrative is your proof that you are better than them.
Everybody operates off of assumptions. It's literally impossible not to.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 11:26 am to Reeaholic
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She didn't get a notice to appear. They detained her on the street.
How do you know this?
See?
You're making assumptions too.
She could have gotten a notice, ignored it, failed to appear, and that's why she was detained.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 11:31 am to theballguy
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I have very nuanced positions.
"Pussified" extended remix version.
We are at war, and you motherfrickers are responsible for a decade of thumbing your assholes.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:58 pm to 19
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We are at war, and you motherfrickers are responsible for a decade of thumbing your assholes.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 2:00 pm to theballguy
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Rumeysa Ozturk, she’s a student from Turkey
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