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re: PF Chang's to pay $80,000 after EEOC finds religious discrimination in Birmingham, Alabama
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:45 am to Nosevens
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:45 am to Nosevens
quote:I was once an employer. Hired a nice, intelligent young lady to work at my office. After she was hired, she informed me that she was a Jehovah Witness. I could not have a company "Christmas Party". If I did, she would not attend, but would if we called it something else. If I had it anyway, the fear was an incoming lawsuit due to exclusion. Whole lot of other common things that had to be danced around also.
So how would that stop people from suing because of hinderance of their 2nd amendment rights during hunting season? Or a tower climber not being hired because fear of heights? Don’t look at this as a litigation lawyer trying to make a buck off a phucked up system but rather logically speaking in rational
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:48 am to imjustafatkid
To be clear:
if an employer is trying to find weekend help and an applicant says they cant work Sundays then the employer has to abstain from hiring the applicant for another reason?
if an employer is trying to find weekend help and an applicant says they cant work Sundays then the employer has to abstain from hiring the applicant for another reason?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:51 am to imjustafatkid
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We should get rid of the EEOC
They just want their money. I am finally at the end of dealing with their compliance mandates and it is complete bs. Things like this are inflationary as it raises premiums and we just pass that cost off to you. As far as this, restaurants are a weekend business. This person had the option to go to service day or night and be available the other part of the day. Also, they have the option to go services almost any other day of the week . Louisianans already have an aversion to working on Sundays because they are hungover and use this as an excuse. I am at the point I want to explore a weighted schedule due to this but it affects those employees with rigorous school schedules like nursing
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:53 am to jangalang
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if an employer is trying to find weekend help and an applicant says they cant work Sundays then the employer has to abstain from hiring the applicant for another reason?
I would find it hard to believe a "reasonable accommodation" to a job specifically advertised as "weekend help" (meaning the job is only for weekend work) would be to accommodate that person by giving them one of the weekend days off, but honestly it wouldn't surprise me. These laws are pretty anti-freedom and anti-business.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:56 am to imjustafatkid
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It's back pay
Sounds like ludicrous back pay
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:03 am to Flats
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If I need someone for 8 hours/day and their religion says they have to stop and pray to Mecca,
That would cause "undue hardship". It would be pretty easy to "not schedule" someone to work on Sunday.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:06 am to imjustafatkid
Sundays are a challenge across the country in the restaurant business. It doesn't matter that, especially during the daytime, it is a good tip day. I keep a well staffed restaurant and scheduling on Sundays would still be a top 5 headache for me. I've even been recruited by other companies specifically for my history of maintaining a well staffed restaurant. There is never enough employees to make everyone happy on Sundays
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:07 am to Lg
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That would cause "undue hardship".
By whose definition?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:11 am to Bjorn Cyborg
If he’s willing to be available every day except Sunday then that’s a reasonable request IMO.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:11 am to Powerman
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Sounds like ludicrous back pay
I guess it depends on the position. If he was interviewing for a management position, that seems low. If he was interviewing for a dishwasher position, then yes that's high.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:13 am to imjustafatkid
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PF Chang's to pay $80,000 after EEOC finds religious discrimination in Birmingham, Alabama
imjustafatkid
LINK
The EEOC is the ultimate shakedown entity.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:13 am to Lg
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That would cause "undue hardship". It would be pretty easy to "not schedule" someone to work on Sunday.
I doubt any employer would win the argument that allowing a Muslim to take breaks to pray to Mecca at prescribed times every day is an "undue hardship" on the employer. You would almost certainly lose that case.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:16 am to imjustafatkid
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I doubt any employer would win the argument that allowing a Muslim to take breaks to pray to Mecca at prescribed times every day is an "undue hardship" on the employer. You would almost certainly lose that case.
I beg to differ. If you do it for one employee, then you have to give every employee the same break. That would in itself cause "undue hardship".
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:17 am to jmarto1
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Sundays are a challenge across the country in the restaurant business. It doesn't matter that, especially during the daytime, it is a good tip day. I keep a well staffed restaurant and scheduling on Sundays would still be a top 5 headache for me. I've even been recruited by other companies specifically for my history of maintaining a well staffed restaurant. There is never enough employees to make everyone happy on Sundays
Yep, it's a struggle for sure. A lot of people falsely claim the "church crowd" doesn't tip well. I made good money as a server on Sundays for precisely the reason you stated. No one else wanted to work it so I'd often be getting double the tables I'd get on any other day.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:17 am to imjustafatkid
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I completely disagree that this is not good.
It's great until you're being served by a chick in a hijab and have to listen to calls to prayer being blared on a bluetooth JBL.
Buisnesses shouldn't be able to fire someone because of what they believe, but if those beliefs interfere with the course of business and aren't compatible, they absolutely should be able to let someone go.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:19 am to Lg
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I beg to differ. If you do it for one employee, then you have to give every employee the same break. That would in itself cause "undue hardship".
I guess it depends. If you don't offer your employees breaks, then yes you have a good argument here. I doubt you'd keep many employees for very long in this scenario, and I still doubt a court would be very sympathetic.
If you do offer breaks, good luck convincing a court that accommodating this request wasn't reasonable.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:20 am to TheHarahanian
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What happens when a cook who’s muslim says he can’t work with pork products?
You change your menu to suit your short order cook is what you xenophobe
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:21 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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It's great until you're being served by a chick in a hijab and have to listen to calls to prayer being blared on a bluetooth JBL.
Buisnesses shouldn't be able to fire someone because of what they believe, but if those beliefs interfere with the course of business and aren't compatible, they absolutely should be able to let someone go.
To be clear, I think this is good because it will help more people see how awful the Civil Rights Act is.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:22 am to idlewatcher
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You change your menu to suit your short order cook is what you xenophobe
There is almost certainly a judge somewhere who would issue a ruling that says this.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:22 am to imjustafatkid
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If you do offer breaks, good luck convincing a court that accommodating this request wasn't reasonable.
If they want to pray when every other employee takes their break, I don't see that as a problem. If they need additional breaks than what is offered then that's where the problem arises.
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