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re: Persia is the modern day Iran, and Babylon, modern day Iraq
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:22 am to scottydoesntknow
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:22 am to scottydoesntknow
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Sure if you subscribe to Dispensationalism...which Christians didnt for 2000 years
You don’t have to be a dispensationalist to think Iran could have a part in End Time events
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:23 am to olemc999
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Ezekiel 38-39 also says that God intervenes and defeats the attackers.
So why are we wasting our money and soldiers if God is supposed to step in and solve the problem?
True, but God also uses people (like Cyrus) to sometime achieve Hos goals, like Babylon conquering Israel et al.
My best guess on this is this is how the E.U. President (AC) gains the trust of Israel. Look up the European Neighborhood Policy(ENP), the E.U. (its on Wiki, I found it by accident) has an Agreement (Covenant in Hebrew simply means agreement) with Israel and what I call THE MANY of Dan. 9:27 and 8:24-25, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Tunisia, Libya, Morocco and Algeria, and these "agreements" run in 7 year cycles, I joke not, LOL. From 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020. WILD STUFF.
So, my deduction is the Gog and Magog war is used by God to drive Israel into the E.U. hands (I'll explain later) and as we know He puts the HOOK in Gog's mouth, Gog is the Leader (Putin) of the Magog group, which the map via the old names show to be Persia (Iran) Turkey (Gomer & Togarmah) and Russia (Meshech and Tubal) some of these names overrun modern borders, but they all mean mainly Russia, Turkey and Iran, along with some African nations (probably used for bases).
The E.U. may very well be used by God to destroy the 5/6 of their armies, OR it could and probably is God, but Satan gets the AC (E.U. President) to claim he did this, and Israel will buy the lie, catch my drift?
Any way the ENP has as one of its stated goals to incorporate trade and to harbor a sense of trust, they give those nations 15 Billion Euros over those 7 years, one major goal has the E.U. as maybe one day inviting some of these nations to join the European Union. HUGE RELEVATION HERE.
I see the Dan. 9:27 AGREEMENT (Covenant) as Israel joining the E.U. this angers God because it is His land, not Israel's land to give away. This is how the E,U. conquers Israel in the middle of the 70th week, they freely give up their Nukes and they see the E.U. to them as the USA is to Hawaii, a protectorate nation, thus this is how it will all go down. Russia, Turkey and Iran will lose 5/6 of their Armies, the E.U. will become the strongman in the area and since they "helped out Israel", Israel will trust them. Israel plays its soccer in the Euros. They are very close in many ways already.
Sadly, the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact will wipe out the USA and most of the New World (the 1/3) will burn. But only after the Pre Trib. Rapture. This has many layers, we have to look deep to see them all.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:27 am to TTOWN RONMON
*trigger warning for atheists...we already know you think its kooky. Save yourself the effort of typing it out
Im not gonna say you are wrong...because nobody but God really knows. I do think what you are saying is improbable. A lot of the prophecy you reference, seems to either have already happened or is misinterpreted. The best religious minds misinterpreted all the prophecy leading to Jesus for centuries which leads me to believe that prophecy isnt something to use as a means for us to figure out and use as some kind of guide for behavior but rather just as a means to point to God's sovereignty over time and His creation.
Basing any of our policy on prophecy is foolish and possibly even sinful. Just look at the fruits of our relationship with Israel since 1948...has God blessed it? Id argue that it has brought nothing but bloodshed and strife. Jesus said to judge a tree by its fruits...
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TTOWN RONMON
Im not gonna say you are wrong...because nobody but God really knows. I do think what you are saying is improbable. A lot of the prophecy you reference, seems to either have already happened or is misinterpreted. The best religious minds misinterpreted all the prophecy leading to Jesus for centuries which leads me to believe that prophecy isnt something to use as a means for us to figure out and use as some kind of guide for behavior but rather just as a means to point to God's sovereignty over time and His creation.
Basing any of our policy on prophecy is foolish and possibly even sinful. Just look at the fruits of our relationship with Israel since 1948...has God blessed it? Id argue that it has brought nothing but bloodshed and strife. Jesus said to judge a tree by its fruits...
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:31 am to Revelator
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Sure if you subscribe to Dispensationalism...which Christians didnt for 2000 years
You don’t have to be a dispensationalist to think Iran could have a part in End Time events
I think any attempts to project and dwell on what will happen in end times is foolishness straight from Satan. Jesus gave us directives as Christians. Fulfilling His Biblical prophecies for Him wasnt one of them.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:35 am to wareaglepete
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Yikes. I’d hate to be a Christian that would believe that God would make his people who have believed in God and taken Jesus into their heart be put through a tribulation.
He’s been sending his Chosen People to Hell for 2000 years so it’s on brand.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:43 am to scottydoesntknow
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I think any attempts to project and dwell on what will happen in end times is foolishness straight from Satan.
So why did Jesus tell his disciples the signs of what would happen before his return if he didn’t want us to look into these things?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:51 am to Revelator
Does anyone wonder why most of the world wants to destroy a country smaller then New Jersey?
Why does the world care about Israel? Think about it.
Why does the world care about Israel? Think about it.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:03 pm to lsudad2011
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Does anyone wonder why most of the world wants to destroy a country smaller then New Jersey? Why does the world care about Israel? Think about it.
That’s the one thing the atheists can’t explain.
They will try to tell you that it’s because Jews have control over money, or they are part of some secret cabal, but how can such a tiny nation have such an impact and cause so many conflicts?
Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:06 pm to lsudad2011
Because they are a Jewish nation surrounded by Muslim ones in a land was predominantly inhabited by Muslims when it was created, it has nothing to do with Biblical prophecy. Israel was attacked the very next day after it was created, this is nothing new.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:10 pm to Revelator
Correct, and what was his answer? He said keep watching and be ready. He didn’t say when Persia attacks the Kingdom of Israel or some other vague reference to Old Testament prophecy
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:10 pm to Revelator
Did Jesus actually say those things? Revelations does, but Revelations is not Gospel. Gospel reports on the word of Christ....it's the Good News and quotes Christ. Revelations came to John in Patmos while he was locked up...it's mainly about his divinely inspired visions.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:17 pm to KiwiHead
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Did Jesus actually say those things?
Yes. Very clearly and with great detail
Matthew 24:2-31
And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age
(Mark 13:3-13; Luke 21:7-19 )
3 ¶ Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 ¶ And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you.
5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for allfn these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences,fnand earthquakes in various places.
8 “All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 ¶ “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
10 “And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
11 “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
12 “And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
The Great Tribulation
(Mark 13:14-23; Luke 17:23, 24, 37; 21:20-24 )
15 ¶ “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’fn spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),
16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
17 “Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
18 “And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.
19 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
20 “And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
21 “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 “And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
23 ¶ “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it.
24 “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
25 “See, I have told you beforehand.
26 ¶ “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
27 “For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28 “For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
The Coming of the Son of Man
(Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28 )
29 ¶ “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 “And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:22 pm to KiwiHead
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Did Jesus actually say those things? Revelations does, but Revelations is not Gospel. Gospel reports on the word of Christ....it's the Good News and quotes Christ. Revelations came to John in Patmos while he was locked up...it's mainly about his divinely inspired visions.
It’s “Revelation”. No “s”.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:22 pm to lsudad2011
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Does anyone wonder why most of the world wants to destroy a country smaller then New Jersey?
Why does the world care about Israel? Think about it.
I’ve thought about it. First of all, I disagree with you. However, for the sake of argument, why?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:23 pm to Revelator
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That’s the one thing the atheists can’t explain.
They will try to tell you that it’s because Jews have control over money, or they are part of some secret cabal, but how can such a tiny nation have such an impact and cause so many conflicts?
You can’t be this naive.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:25 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You can’t be this naive.
Are you denying that for so small a nation and so tiny a group, they exert an exponentially larger influence than they should?
Coincidentally, it just so happens to also be where God said he’d one day set up his throne.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:28 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Engaging in some good ole judging.
Every person's judgment comes from the Lord. Each of us will stand before Him and give an account for every word and deed.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:31 pm to Mo Jeaux
You are correct.
Religious fundamentalists see end times coming all the time and have seen it coming since 70 AD at least. Vandals sack Rome - end times
Muslims take Jerusalem - end times
Mehmet takes Constantinople - end times
Nick and Alex Romanov get lead poisoning and Bolsheviks take power -end times.
I suspect that Christ was defining "end times" a bit differently than many literalists want to accept
Religious fundamentalists see end times coming all the time and have seen it coming since 70 AD at least. Vandals sack Rome - end times
Muslims take Jerusalem - end times
Mehmet takes Constantinople - end times
Nick and Alex Romanov get lead poisoning and Bolsheviks take power -end times.
I suspect that Christ was defining "end times" a bit differently than many literalists want to accept
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:35 pm to wareaglepete
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Yikes. I’d hate to be a Christian that would believe that God would make his people who have believed in God and taken Jesus into their heart be put through a tribulation.
Damn, you're retarded. Why would anyone have taken Jesus into their heart to begin with since Jesus said Christians were going to have tribulations if they accept him?
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:46 pm to Revelator
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Are you denying that for so small a nation and so tiny a group, they exert an exponentially larger influence than they should?
What level of “influence” do you think they should have?
I don’t think the “influence” they (I mean Israel, not Jews) have is unusual at all if you know about the region and their actions.
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