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re: People who vote against their values (personal story)

Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:07 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:07 pm to
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These people who are wealthy, professional


I think your thread's premise is wrong. Educated, professional, and/or urban types have been specifically targeted by MAGA/AF. It's in their interest to not support MAGA/AF.

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extremely Catholic

The more educated/professional types are much more likely to understand nuance and separate church and state internally. Their morality is perceived as an individual.

Your more Evangelical types are the ones who project their morality outward, which is why they always remain with the social conservative version of the Republican Party.

*ETA: Asian cultures are also much more inclined to concepts of collectivism as societal goals. So the economic issues with Liberalism aren't really that big of a deal to Asians specifically.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 12:11 pm
Posted by beulahland
Little D'arbonne
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:10 pm to
Vietnamese refugee MD back home calls all democrats, "communists".

He knows first hand what a Communist really is!
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:14 pm to
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hey are voting for a party that wants to limit their freedoms


Sounds like they aren't voting Republican, so they aren't voting for a party that wants to limit their freedoms.

The problem is that you are incorrect about both their values and your political opposition.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:17 pm to
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extremely Catholic

The reality is that most people aren’t as religious as they say. They say I’m catholic or Baptist or whatever. But they do t really mean it cuz they don’t live it.

Everything SFP just said is incorrect.

These people aren’t Christian. They are part of a social club called church. If they were devout they wouldn’t separate church/state.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 12:20 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:17 pm to
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Sounds like they aren't voting Republican, so they aren't voting for a party that wants to limit their freedoms.


You say this after we just saw what liberal areas did during Covid and how much the Left targets speech (especially post-Charlottesville)?

I mean the ACLU literally rejected their history and reason to exist. That should have been a signal to you about the Left and its concepts of freedoms. If the ACLU is playing partisan games, that's a big deal.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:19 pm to
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Everything SFP just said is incorrect.

These people aren’t Christian.

This is a major signal everything I said is 100% correct, you just disagree with it

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They are part of a social club called church. If they were devout they wouldn’t separate church/state.

Posted by Riverside
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:21 pm to
I went to a Trump event in Houston several years ago and was surprised to see so many Vietnamese supporters there. I think the ones who escaped or had family who communism are the most conservative.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:23 pm to
My point is this has nothing to do with economic level, denominations, country of origin, home life,etc ….

None of that matters.

The person is a Christian in name only. That type of person comes from all backgrounds.

If I person says I’m very religious. But don’t vote that way. They aren’t very religious.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:25 pm to
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Sounds like they aren't voting Republican, so they aren't voting for a party that wants to limit their freedoms.


Democrats are in a full blown war on free speech and this is what one of their dipshits claims...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465708 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:25 pm to
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The person is a Christian in name only. That type of person comes from all backgrounds.

You're literally proving my point about the likelihood of their comprehension of nuance, and their understanding of the Bible (as Jesus specifically taught his followers that his law and Caesar's law are completely different).
Posted by Deuces
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:25 pm to
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The more educated/professional types are much more likely to understand nuance and separate church and state internally. Their morality is perceived as an individual.


Nothing wrong with separating church and state, but when you are a staunch Catholic who’s anti abortion and you’re voting for a party that wants abortion to the point of birth you’ve lost all credibility for your reasoning.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:26 pm to
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Your more Evangelical types are the ones who project their morality outward



Nearly everybody projects their morality outwards.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465708 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:27 pm to
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I went to a Trump event in Houston several years ago and was surprised to see so many Vietnamese supporters there. I think the ones who escaped or had family who communism are the most conservative.

Well I think it also deals with the education/SES part. I don't think Vietnamese (especially 1st/2nd generation) have nearly as high of college education rates as other Asian cohorts (especially Japanese/Korean, but also Indian to an extent). They're also very industrious in terms of small business ownership that doesn't require education. Add in how many don't live in urban areas and that first the MAGA matrix very well.

It mimic the regular analysis that the less educated, less professional, and less urbane a population is, the more likely MAGA/AF support you will find.
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:28 pm to
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You're literally proving my point about the likelihood of their comprehension of nuance, and their understanding of the Bible (as Jesus specifically taught his followers that his law and Caesar's law are completely different).

No im not.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:31 pm to
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The more educated/professional types are much more likely to understand nuance


Based on what I hear coming from these self proclaimed dipshits, I dont think theyre nearly as smart as you think.

They are most prone to shitty left wing propaganda aimed at basic bitches.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:32 pm to
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Nearly everybody projects their morality outwards.


Particularly these educated women hes touting. You cant understand 4th wave feminism and not realize how stupid these people are on the social side.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 12:33 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:33 pm to
People probably don't want to hear this. But in groups or blocks, non-whites will always vote against the interests of the white majority. This has nothing to do with their personal politics. It is about sticking together to bring down the majority white culture and to hopefully replace it with their own. For now they will stick together as needed. This calculus won't change until one group eventually takes up superiority over all the others. That group likely won't be as kind to the other minorities as whites were to them.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 1:07 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:34 pm to
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But in groups or blocks, non-whites will always vote against the interests of the white majority


Explain the "educated white woman" phenomenon?

They do the same.
Posted by TigerBlazer
Member since Aug 2016
840 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:35 pm to
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As opposed to the man grabbing women by the p.. and sleeping with porn queens while their wife is at home with their newborn..



you forgot convicted felon, rapist, guy who shits in his diaper, guy who goes backstage to ogle preteens in their dressing room, friend of Jeffery Epstein, Putin's bitch, guy who called veterans losers, guy who lied and said he graduated head of class at Wharford....
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:38 pm to
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Vietnamese refugee MD back home calls all democrats, "communists".


Democrats are emotionally addicted to the idea of oppression and white saviorism.

They believe the poor dark people can only succeed with their effort.
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