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re: People Rooting For The U.S. Military To Serve As Bibi’s Palace Guard Can Get Fricked.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:17 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:17 pm to Toomer Deplorable
They were killing us when Biden was president.
There wasn't peace already and wouldn't be if Iran has nukes.
Thanks for playing.
There wasn't peace already and wouldn't be if Iran has nukes.
Thanks for playing.
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Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:21 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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and quit expecting the United States to serve as the region’s militarized babysitter.
But baby sit Asia and Europe.
Got it.
It's odd you only want us to not mess with Iran.
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:25 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Yet that leads again to my over-arching point: it’s time to empower these nations to take real ownership of their own collective security.
The problem is that 'ownership of collective security' will become an all-or-nothing affair. Turkey nor any power that inhabited Anatolia needed Arab help to fight the Persians, and the calculus remains, as Turkey is probably the most capable armed forces in the region for long, expeditionary operations. It's not something the KSA could ever think to set aside, especially if more nations come under the Turkish sphere.
We can empower them all we want, but to them that means a zero-sum game, winner-take-all scenario where Turkey would most likely dominate West Asia again. And given Israeli rhetoric against Turkey which has escalated significantly this past year, I'm even more skeptical that Israel would accept anything that looks like 'empowerment.'
The region might be better off in the long-term under Turkish, Iranian, or Egyptian domination, as those have been the epicenters of control (conceding that Baghdad has overt Persian influence), but getting to that state while also dealing with powers who have extraterritorial aims, is another thing.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:50 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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I’m Rubber!
That's pretty much the level of your thinking.
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You hardly addressed my documented argument that Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel collectively have larger military budgets and combined militaries than Iran. This is the most substantive part of your reply:
Yes, I said, "Go through the actual process, what do they do with this money, how many Saudis need to die? What will happen."
Because I know you aren't capable of doing that. You go mindless talking point, then bail a millimeter deeper when your brain runs out of thoughts.
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As to the critique of ‘what will happen’ —that’s exactly the problem these countries are meant to solve themselves. That indeed is the whole point: to empower these nations to take ownership of their own collective security, rather than relying solely on perpetual external guarantees by the U.S. military.
See, you say OMG they could solve it... then you admit that you can't even see a way for them to solve it.
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You are a rank hypocrite of the first order!
Sure sure, whatever makes you think you have it all figured out.
Keep up with the empty claims on things you don't understand.
Keep trying to fish for people to fool into thinking Iran should have Nukes, because "someone else will solve it"... when we can't.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:39 pm to Narax
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Because I know you aren't capable of doing that. You go mindless talking point, then bail a millimeter deeper when your brain runs out of thoughts.
My argument isn’t that this would be easy or risk-free — only that these nations have the resources to contain Iranian aggression. While Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Turkey collectively have a larger defensive budget and militaries than Iran, turning those forces into a real deterrence will require intense coordinated strategy and logistical planning.
Yet these nations have the resources to implement such a strategy — on a scale that Iran can not match. These regional powers thus should not rely solely on external guarantees when they have the collective resources and capacity to defend their own sovereignty.
Ultimately, it is up to these nations to muster the political will to achieve that goal and take ownership of their own security. That is a legitimate answer whether you recognize it or not.
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Keep up with the empty claims on things you don't understand.
Keep trying to fish for people to fool into thinking Iran should have Nukes, because "someone else will solve it"... when we can't.
Back to the insults I see — and a classic straw man argument to boot. I have never once argued that Iran should have nuclear weapons.
This isn’t about leaving the problem for someone else to solve; it’s about empowering the other regional powers to take ownership of their own security. That you seem incapable comprehending that argument in no way diminishes its validity.
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:51 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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turning those forces into a real deterrence will require intense coordinated strategy and logistical planning.
Thats so sad an AI would be ashamed to write it.
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That is a legitimate answer whether you recognize it or not.
It's a joke, what exactly do they do with their "planning"
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insults
Accurate descriptions of you being mindless.
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it’s about empowering the other regional powers to take ownership of their own security.
To do what.
You have no idea at all.
Zero, zilch.
Thats the truth, this is far beyond you and you hope that by repeating slogans others will think that you have engaged in thought...
Which you haven't, you have no idea what they could actually do, you have no idea how their military works.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:59 pm to crazy4lsu
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We can empower them all we want, but to them that means a zero-sum game, winner-take-all scenario where Turkey would most likely dominate West Asia again. And given Israeli rhetoric against Turkey which has escalated significantly this past year, I'm even more skeptical that Israel would accept anything that looks like 'empowerment.'
I’m not ignoring these historical tensions yet Iran collapsing into a failed state would only intensify those rivalries. We then will see all the regional factions scrambling to fill that power vacuum.
These failed regime change strategies by the U.S. invariably fuels the very conflict they seek to mitigate. This only underscores the insanity of the United States attempting to pick winners and losers in these ancient sectarian rivalries.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:22 pm to Narax
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You have no idea at all.
Zero, zilch.
I certainly know a classic ad hominem fallacy when I see it. And I likewise recognize an emotional outburst resulting from the frustration of being unable to offer a reasoned response.
frick off asshat!
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:29 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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I’m not ignoring these historical tensions yet Iran collapsing into a failed state would only intensify those rivalries. We then will see all the regional factions scrambling to fill that power vacuum.
These failed regime change strategies by the U.S. invariably fuels the very conflict they seek to mitigate. This only underscores the insanity of the United States attempting to pick winners and losers in these ancient sectarian rivalries.
I mean, I agree with this, but the only other option would be to ask Egypt to take on a more expeditionary role. Letting the players sort it out was Obama's strategy and in the end, the Arabs and Israel could not live with the fact that Iran, Assad, and Turkey won more spoils from that war than they did. I mean, why they thought money alone would suffice is a curious strategy, but it shouldn't be surprising that the traditional powers would once again dominate the region absent US power.
This will end up like Iraq with all the countries spending another 15 years filling the Iranian power vacuum, if the Iranians even fall at all. The Arabs and Israeli's can only dominate the region with US involvement though, thus which makes me skeptical that they would want any alliance other than one with the US.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:39 pm to dgnx6
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But baby sit Asia and Europe.
Got it.
It's odd you only want us to not mess with Iran.
First off, to HELL with NATO.
As to Asia, I believe the other middle powers in Asia — such as Japan, South Korea, the Philippines and even Vietnam — can align with India to form a coalition to counter Chinese hegemony in the South China Sea. Same as in the Middle East, these regional powers have both the incentive and capability to take responsibility for their own security.
The United States simply can’t continue to act as the world’s globo-cop. This is not some radical leftist proposition but a simple fiscal and strategic reality: overextending ourselves by maintaining a massive global military footprint drains resources we could use at home.
Again, while many conservatives are cheering on yet another Middle Eastern war, the feckless Repubes in the Senate can’t even muster enough votes to pass the SAVE Act. And if the Dems win in the midterms, what Ayatollah is cowering in a bunker claiming to be the Iran’s supreme leader will be the least of our worries.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:40 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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classic ad hominem fallacy
... you really think that defends your lack of thought?
Your solo defense to being called out for being empty of anything but cheap slogans is... 'you are mean so I must be right'
That and $5 will get you a coffee.
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And I likewise recognize an emotional outburst resulting from the frustration of being unable to offer a reasoned response.
...
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frick off asshat!
Yup on brand 100% on brand.
Slogans, changing to other counties can use synergy and multi level marketing to stop Iran... to being angry at your empty brain getting called out.
It should be a lesson to anyone who listens to you, behind your claims... there is nothing, not even a coherent thought.
But I'm sure Israeli Saudi synergy using AI as part of their multi level assessment, sure will show those Iranians!
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:44 pm to Narax
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They got you fooled.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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I mean, I agree with this, but the only other option would be to ask Egypt to take on a more expeditionary role. Letting the players sort it out was Obama's strategy and in the end, the Arabs and Israel could not live with the fact that Iran, Assad, and Turkey won more spoils from that war than they did. I mean, why they thought money alone would suffice is a curious strategy, but it shouldn't be surprising that the traditional powers would once again dominate the region absent US power.
After the violent chaos unleashed in the Middle East by our nation’s wholly corrupted national security apparatus during Obama’s administration, I think it would be fair to say I have a less charitable view of Obama than you.
Yet I certainly agree that the U.S. once again putting it’s fat finger on the scale while attempting to pick winners and losers in these ancient Middle Eastern rivalries will inevitably produce destabilizing consequences that may not manifest for years.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:32 pm to Toomer Deplorable
The demographic reality is that the larger nations in the region, Iran, Turkey, and Egypt have always dominated the region, unless they are limited by outside powers. From a demographic point of view, they represent 60% of the population of that particular region of West Asia. From this point of view, the Gulf Arabs and the Israelis need the US to even maintain a semblance of the balance of power. The US has basically paid off the Egyptians, Turkey is well within the US orbit but uses its important geopolitical position to gain key concessions and the Iranians have pursued the same strategy with the Shah as they did with the clerics. What the Israelis and Gulf Arabs do have is money, and thus we are in a situation where the US tips the scales. What I mean to point out is that the US is holding up a house of cards with respect to the power structure in the region and their closest allies cannot handle the reality without US involvement, which would relegate them to the whims of other historical rivals.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 4:23 pm to crazy4lsu
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What the Israelis and Gulf Arabs do have is money, and thus we are in a situation where the US tips the scales.
And that brings us to the wellspring of the deepening crisis. One of the primary motivations behind perpetual U.S. intervention in Middle Eastern affairs is not simply about securing access to oil; it is instead about preserving the global dominance of the U.S. Dollar and the debt-financed monetary system that supports it.
Anyone who claims this regime change operation against Iran is primarily about targeting a brutal authoritarian regime or securing the freedom of the Iranian people is a useful idiot. No one in our nation’s wholly corrupted national apparatus cares one iota about the freeing the Iranian people.
And securing energy resources is itself a secondary concern. The main goal here is to eliminate any competition to the U.S. greenback:
The primary reason both Venezuela and Iran have been targeted is because both dared to threaten the global supremacy of the USD as the world’s reserve currency. This only underscores the reality that the USD is dependent upon violent coercion to insure it’s continuation as the world’s reserve currency.
This is a pattern we have seen before. And it has nothing to do with securing human rights or opposing authoritarian regimes.
This very likely was a contributing factor in why Saddam Hussein was targeted with a regime change operation. Similarly, Muammar Ghaddafi was likely targeted for elimination because he planned a Pan-African gold based currency to challenge the supremacy of the USD.
Libyan Oil, Gold, and Qaddafi: The Strange Email Sidney Blumenthal Sent Hillary Clinton In 2011…
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