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re: Pelosi introduces a 95% tax plan on prescription drugs..... Wth??
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:42 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:42 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I don't see a middle ground there.
There isn't any.
We have totalitarians on one side, and non-totalitarians on the other.
Compromising with a totalitarian is a fool's errand, because after you do it, the totalitarian promptly wants more of this "compromise" where they threaten to destroy you if you don't do it.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:42 pm to roadGator
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The divide between you new radical leftists and patriots is wide.
Your march closer to socialism must be slowed.
Helpful contribution as always
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:43 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Quick question: Where do companies actually get the money, called revenue, to pay taxes?
What's that you say? From the general public who pay to purchase said products?
So, another tax on the public just indirectly through the hands of a private or public company. Otay buh wheat.
What's that you say? From the general public who pay to purchase said products?
So, another tax on the public just indirectly through the hands of a private or public company. Otay buh wheat.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Helpful contribution as always
Dude. You agree with the govt "negotiation" by demanding agreement to its terms or you will be destroyed and rendered non-existent.
What the frick do you want people to see you as?
You don't want to be viewed as evil? Don't be evil.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:45 pm to Sidicous
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So, another tax on the public just indirectly through the hands of a private or public company. Otay buh wheat.
Some of you on my side here aren't seeing the full picture.
They aren't trying to tax the companies in a way that would be passed on.
They are threatening to hit companies with a BANKRUPTING tax bill if they don't "negotiate" with the govt and agree to whatever the govt wants.
There wouldn't be any "pass on to the consumers". It's actually WORSE!
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:46 pm to ShortyRob
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There isn't any.
We have totalitarians on one side, and non-totalitarians on the other.
Compromising with a totalitarian is a fool's errand, because after you do it, the totalitarian promptly wants more of this "compromise" where they threaten to destroy you if you don't do it.
I agree and by no means do I want government control on everything. I can appreciate the whole R&D argument here. But people on both sides of the aisle have long argued the high costs of prescription drugs, Trump included.
Again, outside of forcing the price negotiations or forcing medicare/private insurance to foot more of the bill rather than the insured, I don't see any other solution here.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:46 pm to Mickey Goldmill
It is helpful to acknowledge the divide as you did yourself.
I was agreeing with you.
I stand in opposition to your desire to grow mommy gov.
Deal with it or don't.
I was agreeing with you.
I stand in opposition to your desire to grow mommy gov.
Deal with it or don't.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:49 pm to ShortyRob
quote:It still gets passed on. Someone has to pay the company in order for the company to pay the Feds.
There wouldn't be any "pass on to the consumers". It's actually WORSE!
Ain't it cute when the dog chases it's own tail?
Except when that dog is a mangy flea bitten rabid stray that is the Fed Govt.!
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:49 pm to ShortyRob
I think this is awful, but it is pretty to what Trump has called for.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:50 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:
I agree and by no means do I want government control on everything. I can appreciate the whole R&D argument here. But people on both sides of the aisle have long argued the high costs of prescription drugs, Trump included.
Again, outside of forcing the price negotiations or forcing medicare/private insurance to foot more of the bill rather than the insured, I don't see any other solution here.
There actually IS a solution.
Tell Europe to defend itself.
Europe CANNOT afford to continue its massive safety net AND defend itself. It would have to tax its citizens even more blind to do it.
We subsidized the frick out of Europe to INCLUDE in terms of medicines.
Hell. Amazon sort of came up with a solution to this shite when France decided to tax the frick out of them. They said, "cool, all of YOUR FRENCH vendors now have to pay us more".
If the Europeans want to control the ability of our companies to make profits which, in effect, lays all of the cost upon the American taxpayer, it's high time we start passing that shite along.
Europe cannot hope to bow up against us on this and the only reason they get away with it because our left wants to be LIKE them and cannot comprehend the horrendous impacts that would occur if we were(hint, Europe can only be the way they are BECAUSE we exist...........well, there ain't no OTHER country to pass this shite to if we go full Europe)
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:51 pm to Sidicous
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It still gets passed on. Someone has to pay the company in order for the company to pay the Feds.
No. You're missing the beauty(evil) of what the Dems want to do here.
If the company doesn't comply, they simply get hit with a bill they are INCAPABLE of paying and are therefore bankrupted. IRS takes all their shite.
Again, note, it's a RETROACTIVE bill.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:53 pm to Jjdoc
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At the heart of the plan is a retroactive, 95% tax on up to 250 of the most common medicines.
This is this imaginary, Marxist fantasy that the corporations just have to eat these taxes and don't pass them on to consumers.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:54 pm to Ace Midnight
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This is this imaginary, Marxist fantasy that the corporations just have to eat these taxes and don't pass them on to consumers.
See my posts on this subject.
It's WORSE.
This tax isn't meant to be passed on.
It's simply meant to bankrupt the company with a bill it can't pay. A 95% retroactive tax as proposed would almost certainly liquidate the frickers
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:56 pm to Jjdoc
she is insane. it is like she wants to lose the gavel and Presidency for a long long long time.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 1:58 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I will take my example further.
Europeans sell many luxury brand autos in America.
Imagine if America.........and basically the entire world..........SET car prices for European imports to the bare minimum profit even possible.
What do you suppose would happen to BMW prices IN Europe?
That's what they are doing to us.
Do you think they'd sit on their hands if we did that to their auto industry?
No. They wouldn't.
Alas. WE allow the butt raping because our left HATES Big Pharma and therefore, kinda is OK with it.
And hell. At least we design our own cars.
Europe's pharma development is basically dead. If we didn't exist, they wouldn't even have new drugs to set prices for
Europeans sell many luxury brand autos in America.
Imagine if America.........and basically the entire world..........SET car prices for European imports to the bare minimum profit even possible.
What do you suppose would happen to BMW prices IN Europe?
That's what they are doing to us.
Do you think they'd sit on their hands if we did that to their auto industry?
No. They wouldn't.
Alas. WE allow the butt raping because our left HATES Big Pharma and therefore, kinda is OK with it.
And hell. At least we design our own cars.
Europe's pharma development is basically dead. If we didn't exist, they wouldn't even have new drugs to set prices for
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 2:11 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 9/19/19 at 2:14 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:So it's extortion of a private company then? That's better to you?
It is an escalating tax on the companies if they refuse to engage in price negotiations.
quote:Private IP, no competition, do what we say or we'll shut you down. If that's fair play then Senate republicans should try that with Facebook and Google.
This only applies to drugs that have no competition on the market, meaning no generic or similar brand.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 2:17 pm to WildManGoose
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So it's extortion of a private company then? That's better to you?
That's the best part.
He basically looked at the OP who MISSED the worst aspect and thought......"that's bad".........then cited the WORST aspect as an improvement.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 2:36 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I guess that would be one way to get all the old white people out of the way. IRS is not in the business of producing life saving/extending medications.
IRS takes all their shite.
Again, note, it's a RETROACTIVE bill.
However...
Who's gonna be providing Nervous Nancy her own meds if all the pharma corps are out of business?
What a revolutionary Socialistic/Communistic idea for universal health: Nobody gets even basic vaccines or even aspirin as the pharma corps are all taken over by the IRS and shutdown.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 2:39 pm to Sidicous
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However...
Who's gonna be providing Nervous Nancy her own meds if all the pharma corps are out of business?
Oh. After that, the govt simply takes over the "means of production" and as we all know. The govt is always just as innovative and business savvy as the industries it takes over!
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