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Paul Manafort: An Array of Facts -- Texts, The Ukraine, Shell Companies, His Marriage, etc

Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:31 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:31 am
Several months old, but a good summary.
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Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, is married with two children – daughters in the law and film industry – and a controversial, estranged son-in-law.

Manafort’s family has been increasingly under public scrutiny as the attention ratchets up on Manafort after a report that the FBI raided his home as part of Robert Mueller’s possibly broadening probe into allegations of potential Russian collusion in the 2016 presidential election. The New York Times is reporting that Mueller has indicted Manafort and his former business associate, Rick Gates.

The Justice Department press release says that Manafort, 68, of Alexandria, Virginia, was indicted on 12 counts, including conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts, the Department of Justice said in a press release. Rick Gates, 45, a Manafort business associate from Richmond, Virginia, faces the same charges.

There were allegations that his daughter’s cell phone was hacked, and the family has been the subject of a negative story in the tabloids. His son-in-law’s finances have also fallen under scrutiny in the media.

Here’s what you need to know:

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Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:35 am to
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NC_Tigah
Thanks baw
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:36 am to
Seven months and ~35 additional counts ago.

First of 2 trials starts Wednesday. Let's go, baws.

This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 5:38 am
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:41 am to
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First of 2 trials starts Wednesday. Let's go, baws.
Collusion?
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:44 am to
*holds up hand*

No thanks, baw. We've had quite enough of that.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:49 am to
Then why pursue the man so relentlessly? What makes his crimes more egregious than the next man?
Posted by starsandstripes
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:54 am to
0 convictions but yet somehow in solitary confinement and the ACLU says nothing

Tony Podesta - same set of criminal circumstances but given immunity

One is a long time Dem operative and gets immunity
One very briefly worked on the Trump campaign and sits in solitary confinement
Posted by AUstar
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:56 am to
Color me skeptical that the hackers were "Ukranian." Sounds to me like this is Russia playing both sides. Hack Hillary to embarrass her, then hack Trump's people to do the same after the election.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:00 am to
It does seem that conspiracy is what Mueller is still investigating him for. The Rosenstein memo explicating the Manafort investigation has very extensive redaction (documented in greater detail than the parts of the investigation that are known). There was reporting that the President told friends back in January that he felt safe in the investigation because Paul wasn't going to flip.

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Donald Trump is telling friends and aides in private that things are going great — for him. Some reasons: He's decided that a key witness in the Russia probe, Paul Manafort, isn't going to "flip" and sell him out, friends and aides say.


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Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:02 am to
I skimmed over the Atlantic article you posted in the other thread. I saw nothing of criminal significance. This just seems like a politically motivated investigation.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:03 am to
You might want to read his indictments.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:07 am to
I could. And I would return to my initial question. What has he done that is so egregious compared to others? Corruption is rampant in our government. What makes his of any particular significance?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:12 am to
Until someone take the stand,

that's a whole lotta hearsay floating around.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:27 am to
The main difference is that the Mueller is working toward alleging is that the swamp Manafort represents is the Russian government. His frame for this investigation is "conspiracy to defraud the United States", investigating those who claim that they were acting in good faith in our politics but secretly serving the interests of Russia and that by doing so essentially prevented the United States government from protecting our politics from undisclosed outside influence.

Paul has been working in Ukraine for a decade to provide a patina of democratic respectability to his former patron, Viktor Yanukovych, concealing Yanukovych's deep influence from Russia there. Paul set up Potemkin elections, funded phony think tanks to launder Russian influence through European politics and Mueller will allege Paul did some of the same things here. After Yanukovych was toppled and fled to Moscow where he remains, Paul was in hock to Oleg Deripaska for >$10 million dollars, was despondent and suicidal before coming to work for Trump (for "free"). Paul wrote to his Russian military intelligence friend and former employee, Konstantin Kilimnik (who incidentally the government alleges Paul also used to suborn perjury in his upcoming trial) to see how they could use his role as Trump campaign manager to "get whole". I'll remind you that Mueller has just indicted 12 Russian military intelligence for hacking political emails and analytics and distributing them to wikileaks and that the same organization Novichoked a former officer who was probably working with British intelligence on this case.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:32 am to
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Mueller has just indicted 12 Russian military intelligence for hacking political emails and analytics and distributing them to wikileaks


Allegedly Russian spies are doing spy things.

Shocking.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:34 am to
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One very briefly worked on the Trump campaign
. . . and on the Ford Campaign, and for Reagan's 1980 campaign, and as deputy director of the RNC, and as Reagan's Associate Director of the Presidential Personnel Office at the White House, and as an adviser to both the GHWB and Dole campaigns.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:38 am to
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Allegedly Russian spies are doing spy things.

Shocking.


I agree that that's not so shocking, but I'll assert that it's shocking the now-President's campaign manager offered briefings about his campaign to a Russian oligarch through a GRU asset during that influence operation.

Right?
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 6:39 am
Posted by SCLibertarian
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:41 am to
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His frame for this investigation is "conspiracy to defraud the United States", investigating those who claim that they were acting in good faith in our politics but secretly serving the interests of Russia and that by doing so essentially prevented the United States government from protecting our politics from undisclosed outside influence. 

Sounds like what every D.C. politician and lobbyist not named Paul or Amash does with both Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:43 am to
I appreciate the lengthy response. I realize you went to great lengths to provide it. Thank you. However, this is nothing more than what we have already seen time and time again. Governments try to influence governments.

My cursory look into the life of Paul Manafort shows he is a deeply flawed man. And President Trump made a huge mistake by allowing him to direct his campaign (albeit briefly). But this is just a politically motivated investigation. There is no there, there. And we are all less free because of it. It does not make us safer as a Nation. Instead it is tearing our country apart. Shameful.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:46 am to
It's a bad optic.

But campaign Trump was a private citizen, not a government official.

Kind of a leap to say he was tricking the government. Now if this had continued into the presidency phase, different story.
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