re: Passing a law designating Islam as a political movement

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First, Christianity is either true or it isn't. You being hostile or not is irrelevant to whether or not it speaks truth.

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Which version of Christianity?

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Second, if you are hostile because one person out of billions reveals the consistency of the Christian religion, then that's definitely a "you" problem.

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I am sympathetic to Christians who actually follow Jesus.

You reminded me of the shitty people I grew up around.

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Third, how could you "like Jesus" if you think He didn't exist and/or was merely an archetype?

I think you were already intellectually and morally hostile to Christianity. You were just looking for an excuse to be vocal about it. I'm glad that I was the one that helped you to show your true colors, then.

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The same way I like Neo in the Matrix, and the same reason you shouldn't worship idols. If someone wants to talk about philosophy or things using the Matrix as a storyline, I will enjoy that. How he learns the truth about reality, and then tries to set people free with the truth and how a system that relies on the lie and blinds people from the truth views him as a threat, wants to kill him and so forth.

But then here you come along trying to claim Neo is real, and that we must all donate to the telephone company so they can keep payphones everywhere in case he needs to come back again. And how the important thing is we need to worship him and the time he died in the Matrix while trying to free others.

To which you start putting a gun on a necklace around your neck to celebrate the death, claiming he sacrificed himself for you. And that's the important thing, not the fact you are trapped in the Matrix in a system of lies being manipulated and controlled as a resource. And now we must wait for his return to save us, as if the information itself wasn't that which was supposed to save you. As if that isn't exactly what the Matrix/machine/system would want.

Name the way I am morally hostile to Christianity.

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But that's been my point all along: you are now adding another claim, that common sense should be common. Why? And what's the point of having any standards at all, even arbitrary ones? Either there are truths associated with them or there are not, and if not, then it doesn't matter anyway.

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As I said earlier, you do not understand how things work.

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Yes and no. This is where trinitarian theology comes into play. The Father and the Son are not the same person; they are two different persons in the same being. The Son paid the debt that other humans owe to the Father, and that debt is then accepted and released based upon acceptance by faith.

In your analogy, it's more like you owe $20 to someone, and his son shows up and pays off your debt.

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The son is the limitation, but I'm sure you don't understand that.

And you claim it was created by God so it's still God paying himself by the process of human sacrifice.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son to pay the debt back to himself.

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Understanding what? I assume you are talking about certain truth claims. If so, where do those come from and how does one gain it?

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Understanding of the topic we are talking about.

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Another truth claim, aka, "dogma". Where did you get this dogma from?

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a "truth claim" is not dogma. Dogma is when you make a claim and then use the same as the authority on the reason why it's true. Like saying the bible is the word of God because the bible says the bible is. And then using that as a basis for other things such as claiming what God does is just because it's God doing it.

I'm not supporting the claim with the claim.

You are born ignorant. You learn during life how to act, good from bad, etc. And somehow me pointing this out is now a "truth claim" and "dogma".

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I have an objective standard to use to judge by. You don't, as far as I can tell. Therefore, I have a rational grounding for my moral judgements while you do not. That's been my point all along. You are being irrational.

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Claiming God can do whatever he wants and it's justified is not rational grounding.

And the crazy part about it is you claim God MUST have the sacrifice of Jesus and people to believe that. Otherwise, there is no justice etc.

God can do anything except forgive people outside believing in the human sacrifice of Jesus. Born and killed immediately? Tough shite. Never heard of Jesus? Tough shite. Had any doubts about the claims that seemed crazy to you? Tough shite.

The only "Just" way just happened to be joining your religion.

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False. A vicious circle is a logical fallacy, but circular reasoning, in itself, is necessary when you get to ultimate authorities or first causes. Do some research on that.

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You mean dogma is required to believe the nonsense you believe. No shite.

At least you are slowly starting to admit that ultimately you just want me to accept your dogma and then argue with me in the constrains of it.

But then when I point out the dogma you get upset with me, call me irrational and whatever other bullshite.

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You didn't apply what I was saying accurately, though. You can't just come up with a random analogy that doesn't convey the actual meaning of what I'm saying and then apply that to what I believe. That's a straw man fallacy, as I said. I'm telling you exactly what I believe. Unlike you, I'm operating in the light.

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I did apply it accurately. You claim the people are burning in hell glorifies his mercy/love for those that aren't.

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Now you're pivoting from an internal inconsistency to an external one. I'll take this as a concession that you know your initial claim was wrong.

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Literally nothing changed in what I said.

It has 2 different orders and neither of them is correct.

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You still need to show that something if false, though. You can't just say it's false and then wipe your hands and pretend you've won an argument. You need to do better here.

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I have over and over in this thread. Your refusal to accept it is your problem.

I don't need you to believe me, what I believe or understand. I'm not trying to pretend I can "save" you.

I'm not trying to start a religion. I'm not looking for followers. This idea that I somehow owe you something or am required to do something for you simple does not exist. I have no religion for you to subscribe to.

You are the one trying to convert me into yours. You made claims, I questioned them.

But you are completely unable to defend my critiques and now you've just started to look for anything you can find or assume about me so you can attack that in response.

As such, I don't see much use in continuing.

Texas maybe

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There should be no freedom to burn our flag and chant death to America on our soil and preach the quran. They all need to be exiled now.

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Not allowing someone to burn the flag is instead burning the constitution.

No thanks.

I'm fine with deporting people who don't assimilate though. Even more fine with never allowing them here to start with.

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I don't agree with your theology (or lack of), but I respect how you're defending the constitution

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I think both suffer the same issue.

Some people just believe in "United States" and see that as a symbol without regard to the constitution, the principles and philosophy it was founded on and what it means.

In doing so, they tear apart the very foundation of the country. The "US" is like an idol to them, a replacement for what was important. They'll say the most wonderful things, appear to the be the most patriotic and the most extreme about it. And in the process, they will turn it into the very thing it was founded against.

And when it comes to that people like that guy, he does the same thing with Jesus. Instead of focusing on the things he stood for, what he represented and so forth, his life example, it becomes all about the idol of Jesus. Those things he stood for get ignored and the idol becomes the replacement for what was important. They'll say the most wonderful things, appear to be the most devout and they'll be the most extreme about it. Like this guy wanting to change the 1st amendment to declare "Christ is King". And in the process, they turn it into the very thing that Jesus fought against and was killed for threatening.

They'll say the US was founded on Christian principles as a Christian nation. And then turn around and claim these principles are no longer valid/working. Because what really matters is the label "Christian" and the idol worshipping. In reality, the country was founded on the principles and understanding, not religious statehood and idols.

This is evident with the Jefferson bible.

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Flag burning can be prosecuted under some circumstances.

Anyone involved in flag burning or even approve of flag burning need to get the hell out of Dodge.

Do you approve of flag burning or have any respect for anyone burning our flag?

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I approve of someone having the freedom to burn the flag if they want. Because that is what freedom costs - allowing others to have even/especially when you disagree with them.

By not allowing someone to do that we are no longer a country of freedom. And why? Because you are snowflake and got your feelings hurt? You now need a safe space so people can't offend you?

Are there any other things that hurt your feelings and should thus be illegal?

You are a much bigger threat to freedom. All because you got hung up in your feel feels. That's some pussy arse liberal shite. Maybe you can get a therapist to help you through the damage done by seeing someone do that.

Now, if they are burning the flag because they come from some other country and don't assimilate, then deport their arse. Not because they burned the flag, but because they didn't come for the purpose of freedom and liberty. They shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.

Otherwise, frick your cry baby feelings. Welcome to the land of freedom where you have every right to be offended but no right to do shite about it.

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Sounds like your trying to do the twist and your crawfishing out of season

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Do you feel like you're about to get triggered snowflake?