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re: Partisan politics aside, as Americans

Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:01 am to
Posted by Cajun Cricket
Tennessee
Member since Mar 2016
224 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:01 am to
Wake me up when Trump sells Russia 21% of our Uranium ... can you imagine the outcry if that happened?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57817 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:10 am to
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This administration is WAY too cozy w/ Putin.

We need to wake up NOW.


Waking up is for the proletariat. In Russia, we the Nomenklatura, are only awakened from our slumber in our Dacha with glass of vodka...
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21735 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:14 am to
You need to turn down the volume of the MSM in your head. Seriously, look at what you just said. Are you really so sure of that black and white narrative? The posters who have been pointing out how so very recently the MSM and the Dems were singing a different tune are spot-on. This is right out of 1984.

Come back to the skeptical middle. Realize that life and politics aren't binary, black or white, either/or.

Putin and the Russians have done some shady shite. They are certainly not "allies", but every powerful sovereign nation requires diplomatic engagement of some sort.

Considering the tensions over the Syrian civil war, N. Korea, and the election stuff, I think it is good news that Trump is meeting with Putin and engaging in diplomacy.

I have not heard any specific deals that have been made, or even general agreements that have been reached. Nothing policy oriented has even been mentioned yet.

The MSM having a hissy fit over two powerful leaders meeting face to face in the spring of this new administration is totally baffling to me.

Try to maintain perspective.
Posted by Quarterite
The Lower Quarter
Member since Oct 2016
959 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:18 am to
quote:

We need to wake up NOW.


Or else prepare for the new overlords and buy yourself one of these:

Posted by tomthum81
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2004
2758 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:20 am to
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Try to maintain perspective.


I've tried for several months to rationalize what I'm seeing... its time to sound some alarms.
Posted by MButterfly
Quantico
Member since Oct 2015
6860 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:20 am to
Again, since you want to run from it elsewhere...

quote:

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.



The above is from congressional records in 1963. Let that be your personal and party test to see who has been cozy with Russia.
Posted by tomthum81
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2004
2758 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:23 am to
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The above is from congressional records in 1963. Let that be your personal and party test to see who has been cozy with Russia.


what's your point?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57817 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:25 am to
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tomthum81


You are aware that liberalism = socialism = communism, right? It's just a few degrees of separation to get from one to the other. The main tenant is common among the 3.

More government control, less personal freedoms, government knows best...

You've still avoided the Obama selling Russia Uranium, factoid...why?
Posted by tomthum81
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2004
2758 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:26 am to
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You've still avoided the Obama selling Russia Uranium, factoid...why?

why do you keep making things partisan...

ok, ill bite, do you agree w/ what obama did?
Posted by MButterfly
Quantico
Member since Oct 2015
6860 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:28 am to
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what's your point?


My point is The point is one party has actively sought those things on that list.

Why are you now sounding the alarm? Where were you when the dems lost their party and pushed even harder towards pro russian system?


Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55139 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:29 am to
The 1980s called and wants its Foreign Policy back.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57817 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:31 am to
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why do you keep making things partisan...


Well, one, you're a partisan hack.

quote:

ok, ill bite, do you agree w/ what obama did?


That wasn't the question, i was asking why you keep avoiding this issue. You are intent on implying Trump = Russia, yet you haven't touched Obama selling Russia, uranium, why?

Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127347 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:36 am to
Did they talk about grandchildren?
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6878 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:39 am to
One of the most popular Democrats in Missouri(Jason Kander) wife was born in the USSR in the late 80's.

Both parties have members some how associated to Russia/USSR or former communist counties.

The reason it has taken up our news cycles is because Russia trying to influence the election.

Trump is caught up in the middle probably not because of something he did during the election, but because of members of his campaign like Flynn and Manafort.

Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19962 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:46 am to
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This administration is WAY too cozy w/ Putin.





















Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:57 am to
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I trust Putin far more than I trust Hillary Clinton or Obama. Hillary's body count is larger than Putin's.


Wow. You are fricking insane. That's it. You're just flat-out batshit crazy as a mother fricker.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49392 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:59 am to
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No American I've known in my life would defend Putin/Russia this way.


99.8% of Americans don't have even the slightest amount of working knowledge necessary to make an educated assessment of Russian global politics.
Posted by tomthum81
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2004
2758 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:15 am to
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99.8% of Americans don't have even the slightest amount of working knowledge necessary to make an educated assessment of Russian global politics.


hmm, how much does the average american really need to know about their politics to understand they're bad actors and we shouldn't trust them?

this sounds almost apologetic...
Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
13265 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:27 am to
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49392 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

hmm, how much does the average american really need to know about their politics to understand they're bad actors and we shouldn't trust them?


Enough to understand that trying label the actions of nations as "bad" or "good" isn't really effective.
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