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Palestinians WANT Hamas

Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:41 am
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:41 am
Andrew McCarthy wrote a great essay in National Review. Behind a paywall so here are the relevant tidbits.

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It was thus sadly hilarious to hear President Biden explain that his conversation with “President” Abbas was meant to assure the “Palestinian people” that “the United States remains committed to [their] right to dignity and self-determination” — notwithstanding the October 7 atrocities against Israel that, incidentally, entailed the murders of more than 30 Americans, with another dozen or more likely taken hostage.

It would be unfair to hang such wishful Western ignorance on Biden alone. It’s exactly what American administrations of both parties have been saying for 30 years: There are these nice Palestinians who just want “self-determination” and the “dignity” of governing themselves democratically, but they keep being undermined by a handful of bad terrorists — about whom we really can’t do much, so we need to pretend that the problem is those pain-in-the-arse Jews who stubbornly insist on existing.

In point of fact, it is the Palestinians who make Hamas possible. Let’s say Israel completely dismantled Hamas tomorrow — which, by the way, it can’t do by a ground invasion of Gaza, since Hamas is run and funded from Qatar and armed and trained by Iran. You know what would happen then? The Muslim Brotherhood would have Hamas 2.0 up and running within days. Hamas is popular in the Palestinian territories precisely because it represents the sharia-supremacist objective of an Islamic state that extirpates Israel. Hamas may be the chief executor, but the objective is Palestinian.

“Self-determination”? “From the river to the sea” is not a Hamas battle cry. It is a Palestinian battle cry.

The vision of a map that does not include the word “Israel,” a map where a sharia regime is sovereign on every inch of land from the Jordan to the Mediterranean, is Muslim Brotherhood doctrine. In the Palestinian territories, the Muslim Brotherhood runs the schools — and their component paramilitary camps for toddlers. Children are marinated from birth in Jew hatred. It’s not mere anti-Zionism, as the jihad’s transnational-progressive apologists try to maintain with a straight face — it’s Jew hatred.

Similarly, the students and radical faculty chanting “From the river to the sea” on American college campuses are not Hamas. They are the crescendo of a Muslim Brotherhood project, begun over 60 years ago, to plant and grow Muslim Students Association chapters in virtually every university in the United States and Canada. The enterprise was so successful that it has spawned an alphabet soup of Muslim activist organizations to which our government turned — in a manner as bipartisan as it was daft — when it felt the need to locate “moderates” after the spate of al-Qaeda attacks that culminated in 9/11. The antisemites are winning because the United States government and American popular culture somehow decided that “only” demanding the evisceration of Israel was tolerably moderate compared to the real crazies who piloted jumbo jets into skyscrapers (catalyzed, of course, by the same ideology that demands the evisceration of Israel).

If the Palestinians were at all interested in “self-determination” along the lines of Biden’s stubbornly delusional “two-state solution” — in which “Palestine” coexists peacefully with an Israeli neighbor — they would already have it. Gaza is the jihadist launchpad because Israel withdrew from every bit of it in 2005 — so the Palestinians could have self-determination . . . whereupon they self-determined that Hamas was what they wanted. Meantime, the Israelis would like nothing better than to wash their hands of the West Bank, too. But the dirty little not-so-secret is that there is no Palestinian vision of “self-determination” and “dignity” that would abide a Jewish state in the middle of what Palestinians insist is Allah’s turf.

This is not a Hamas thing. It’s a Palestinian thing.

Have you seen any Palestinian polling lately? There’s not a lot of it, since the West Bank and Gaza are not the easiest places from which to collect reliable data, but there is some. Here’s one from the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research. It tells us that, by a margin of 58 percent to 20 percent, Palestinians would prefer a renewal of the intifada (the “armed struggle”) to peaceful negotiations aimed at ending “the occupation.” That’s consistent with last year’s polling, as is the finding that about seven in ten Palestinians oppose the two-state solution.

Here’s some more: “President” Abbas must continue to resist having an election in the West Bank because, if one were held, he’d be thrashed by Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh, 58 percent to 37 percent. And that’s with Haniyeh holed up in his well-appointed Qatari headquarters, from which he and his subordinates joyously watched news reports of the October 7 barbarities in real time.

There is one candidate who would drub both Haniyeh and Abbas, though: Marwan Barghouti. He would beat Haniyeh 60 percent to 37 percent. Alas, this most popular Palestinian “politician” would have to conduct his campaign from an Israeli prison. An Arafat protégé who is beloved in both Fatah and Muslim Brotherhood circles because he was a leader of both the first and second intifadas, Barghouti is serving five life sentences for brutal murders.

How’s that for dignity?

Biden claimed that “Hamas does not represent the Palestinians,” who just want to live in peace while “Hamas’ stated purpose for existing is the destruction of the state of Israel and the murder of Jewish people.”

Dream on. Hamas was elected by Palestinians because it wants to destroy Israel and murder Jewish people. And if they couldn’t elect Hamas, Palestinians would elect Barghouti, who has proven extraordinarily adept at murdering Jewish people while seeking the destruction of the state of Israel.

But by all means, Mr. President, let’s give the Palestinians another $100 million to spread from the river to the sea.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:43 am to

Seems like Biden's loyalty is split and that means Israel can't trust him.
Posted by MadQfrog
Atlanta, GA
Member since May 2021
602 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:44 am to
Palestenians elected Hamas and every of these rats should be held accountable. Blood is on their hands. I say wipe them all out with gas.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 8:45 am
Posted by GBPackTigers
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2009
1071 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:46 am to
Some cultures cannot fundamentally coexist, so America needs to stop being a “melting pot” or this will happen on our homeland
Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
2816 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:12 am to
For further proof, all anyone has to do is watch the videos of hamas bringing the bodies of dead Israelies back to gaza with them. Cheering crowds. People poking at the bodies and God knows what else. The people, including kids, were happy and celebrating.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
9147 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:32 am to
Israel has offered land several times in the past, Palestinians refused. As stated in OP, there is no compromise with the Palestinians, it's all or nothing. As far as "innocent" Palestinians, that is laughable. Only a fool with no logic doesn't see thru this. If there are "innocent" Palestinians which do not support Hamas, why haven't they risen up? We are told Hamas is a very small percentage of Gaza, why won't the majority fight for a better life? If they aren't willing to make any sacrifice for their own betterment, why should anyone else?

The fact is, most if not all support Hamas and the eradication of Israel. For generations children in Gaza have been taught to hate Israel, anyone who thinks there are innocents who can be compromised with is a fool. Look where it's gotten Israel thus far...
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6404 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Palestenians elected Hamas

By close to 70%.
Posted by LsuNav
Sacramento
Member since Mar 2008
1387 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:18 am to
We can’t expect people trapped in Gaza to think normally.

None of us know what we would do if we were in their situation. I would certainly hope that I wouldn’t support the killing of civilians but the US is currently supporting the killing of civilians in Gaza.
Posted by GooseSix
Member since Jun 2012
19512 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:35 am to
quote:

but the US is currently supporting the killing of civilians in Gaza


They deserve nothing less.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:44 am to
Holy shite, that's a whole lot of words just to say:
quote:

Palestinians voted for Hamas to lead their government.
Posted by PeleofAnalytics
Member since Jun 2021
2733 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:57 am to
quote:

None of us know what we would do if we were in their situation.

I hear this when some 16 year old kid in New Orleans executes someone in a car jacking. It doesn't move the dial for me with them either. Someone who proactively and intentionally enters a home to execute women and children are irredeemable regardless of your situation.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18418 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 12:18 pm to
Islam is for Medieval animals. Keep that shite over there and stop letting them in America. As others have said, we can't coexist with that culture.

They come here to "escape" the harshness of Islam but then defend their previous home/culture every chance they get and want to tear down the fabric of traditional America.

F those people
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 12:20 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

we can't coexist with that culture.


That's exactly what they are saying.
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Keep that shite over there

Oh, the irony.
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