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Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:10 am to Redbone
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#1. He isn't going to get 1 or more plane loads of $s delivered to him from Mexico
the method of the one-time payment is completely irrelevant, although i can understand why y'all try so hard to make it about that
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#2. Saying "Mexico WILL pay for the WALL" is an open ended statement
not if he closes it down by saying it'll just be paid by "savings" from usmca. especially since that doesn't make any actual sense
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:46 am to Bunyan
its been almost 3 years now and they still cant grasp the fact that trump doesnt speak literally and never has, yet they continue to think they get a win if their idea of what he said isnt accurate to the letter of his comments 
he has said many times, "one way or the other, mexico will pay for the wall" yet they cling to the strict narratives they want to hold him to, and ignore everything else he says about it
he has said many times, "one way or the other, mexico will pay for the wall" yet they cling to the strict narratives they want to hold him to, and ignore everything else he says about it
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 11:48 am
Posted on 1/1/19 at 1:38 pm to SDVTiger
Im sorry. I must be too low iq to understand what you are saying. Main thing i took away was
I think we are done here. Go back to emojis.
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Taxpayers building a wall
I think we are done here. Go back to emojis.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 1:39 pm to Bunyan
that is not what crooked trumpery meant when he first said that. his truth changes with the wind
Posted on 1/1/19 at 1:53 pm to Bunyan
That tweet is a completely incoherent message.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 5:56 pm to 90proofprofessional
The original point you disputed was that funding mechanisms other than direct payments were debated prior to the election. You’ve been arguing for days that he wanted a direct payment. Congrats on pointing out that this option was in his initial white paper. We’re all super proud. Now the other ideas discussed (now that you’ve been proven dead wrong - again) don’t count because of something Nieto said? Visa fees? You just glossed right over that one. So still no debate over indirect funding prior to the election right? So who is mixing arguments? Get your sorry, uncle fricked arse out of here.
All that mental vomit to do exactly what everyone on this board already knew you’d do. Move the goalposts, parse words, ignore inconvenient facts, and be generally faggy. That tripe you posted about immigration studies is yet more evidence. You don’t like it, so it must be wrong because... well... because you say so. The numbers you are referencing are based on data that’s four years old, so truth be told, you can’t dispute shite. But we won’t talk about that cause I don’t want your father to come downstairs and beat your arse again for throwing the mouse.
Say it with me: Gimmick poster. And a shitty one at that.
All that mental vomit to do exactly what everyone on this board already knew you’d do. Move the goalposts, parse words, ignore inconvenient facts, and be generally faggy. That tripe you posted about immigration studies is yet more evidence. You don’t like it, so it must be wrong because... well... because you say so. The numbers you are referencing are based on data that’s four years old, so truth be told, you can’t dispute shite. But we won’t talk about that cause I don’t want your father to come downstairs and beat your arse again for throwing the mouse.
Say it with me: Gimmick poster. And a shitty one at that.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 5:57 pm to BayouBlitz
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Yeah. That's not how it works.
That’s exactly how it works. Why is that so hard to understand?
Posted on 1/1/19 at 6:44 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Is there a single conspiracy theory (no matter how ridiculous) that you don't buy -- hook, line and shiny sinker?
Air lifting secret pallets of unmarked, international currencies in the dark of night is not a standard diplomatic procedure.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 6:51 pm to Vacherie Saint
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The original point you disputed was that funding mechanisms other than direct payments were debated
What i'm disputing is that trump claimed was anything other than mexico actually paying, until it finally became clear to him & his stupid flock that that wouldn't ever happen.
The "vigorous debate" over other funding mechanisms that somehow haven't been used or actually tried and apparently was only leaked to lifezette, represents nothing other than weak apologists for your boy backing down, while pretending not to in the least-convincing way imaginable.
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Now the other ideas discussed (now that you’ve been proven dead wrong - again) don’t count because of something Nieto said?
They count alright- as a quiet retreat from the claim of mexico paying. They count additionally as a feeble attempt to claim that mexico still will.
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Visa fees? You just glossed right over that one
Were we able to use it as leverage to get the one-time payment, like the Trump campaign said we would?
No? Next.
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Move the goalposts
lmao at this projection that is probably invisible to you and only you
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parse words
you mean treat them as though they mean anything at all
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That tripe you posted about immigration studies is yet more evidence. You don’t like it, so it must be wrong because... well... because you say so.
It's like you're swinging blindfolded! I said they don't support your claim about the doubling of the population of illegals. Which they don't. Feel free to cry about it some more. Maybe in another 24 hours or so you can dig up something else that fails to support your claim.
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The numbers you are referencing are based on data that’s four years old, so truth be told, you can’t dispute shite. But we won’t talk about that cause I don’t want your father to come downstairs and beat your arse again for throwing the mouse.
Oh, do go on about how there's 3 years of numbers that are going unreferenced by Pew. Be sure to explain how that's possible since that Yale estimate was built off of the very same ACS/CPS data and was released earlier in the year than Pew's.
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Say it with me: Gimmick poster. And a shitty one at that.
Translation: SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT HOW I MADE UP THAT THE NUMBER OF ILLEGALS DOUBLED
Posted on 1/1/19 at 6:53 pm to texridder
Omg, really? Literally no one on earth, not even the administration, denies that this happened.
Seek help.
Seek help.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 6:57 pm to Douboy
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That’s exactly how it works. Why is that so hard to understand?
So how can nobody, including Trump, explain how this would work?
How will surplus trade dollars be identified? From a potential trade agreement?
How will a fund be created to house these funds? Who is in charge of this magical account? Who will audit it?
Will any/all of this money go to increases in military spending or to pay for the tax cuts? We haven't paid for those yet.
Why hasn't a similar unrealistic fund been set up for moneys brought in from Chinese tariffs? Or by any other policy instituted ever?
What roll does Congress play in appropriations of funds for projects?
But, but, but Trump tweeted it! It must be true!
Posted on 1/1/19 at 7:07 pm to Bunyan
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MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL through the many billions of dollars a year that the U.S.A. is saving through the new Trade Deal, the USMCA
FAKE NEWS.
A juicy lie told by Trump to his gullible supporters.
Trump thinks dealing with world leaders and other economies Is like dealing with contractors who he stiffs.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 7:12 pm to Wild Thang
quote:You can't even try to point out why he is a dumb poster. Must be that you are dumber than him.
You are the dumbest poster on this site. Go back to the lunch thray you piece of shite
When is the last time you posted anything worthwhile on here?
Posted on 1/1/19 at 7:12 pm to JohnnyU
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FAKE NEWS.
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JohnnyU
Posted on 1/1/19 at 7:30 pm to bamarep
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Want me to keep going?
Did you get this straight from Wikipedia or did you have some other source. Especially for:: "Those jobs leaving Mexico and coming here equate to about $50K/yr jobs for THOUSANDS of workers."
Posted on 1/1/19 at 7:42 pm to 90proofprofessional
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What i'm disputing is that trump claimed was anything other than mexico actually paying, until it finally became clear to him & his stupid flock that that wouldn't ever happen
Wtf is this? Don’t change your argument now! That’s so unlike you.
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They count alright
You could have just stopped right there. I could gaf what you think about how “vigorously” it was debated or the merit you personally assign to these ideas. The fact remains; indirect payments were debated, Nieto and Obama melted, and the Trump voter understood the issue. Your babbling changes nothing.
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Were we able to use it as leverage to get the one-time payment, like the Trump campaign said we would?
Except the paper doesn’t say that, you dishonest prick. It literally says that “Visa fees could pay for the wall” - a clear example of indirect payment. The method you said wasn’t debated prior the election... remember?
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Yale estimate was built off of the very same ACS/CPS data and was released earlier in the year than Pew's.
And what else dumbass? Did you even read the article?
it uses several data sources. The Pew study, using validated 2008 numbers, that are not based on estimates, shows roughly 11 million illegals in the US at that time. Yale’s more comprehensive study puts the 2018 estimate at 22. The social security fraud figures buttress that estimate.
Stop playing dumb... unless you’re not playing.
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Translation: SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT HOW I MADE UP THAT THE NUMBER OF ILLEGALS DOUBLED
What we have here, my little yellow sister, is 100% pure melt.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 7:57 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Wtf is this? Don’t change your argument now!
What am I changing? Trump's tweet is a retreat from his campaign position, and you are trying to act as though it's not. That's it.
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The fact remains; indirect payments were debated, Nieto and Obama melted, and the Trump voter understood the issue.
When Obama told Trump 'good luck with that' and Nieto told Trump to go frick himself, no one melted but Trumpkins. quote:
Except the paper doesn’t say that, you dishonest prick. It literally says that “Visa fees could pay for the wall”
Surrounded on both sides with the claim that it's leverage that would be used to easily get a remittance. And it didn't. Pound the table all you want about those two facts, but they won't change.
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And what else dumbass? Did you even read the article? it uses several data sources.
Wow, so you're going to try to weasel out of your claim that the Pew data was 4 years out of date? lol, just lol
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The Pew study, using validated 2008 numbers
I love how you say things that are so easily proven to be objectively wrong within a few breaths of 'did you even read the article', even though i explicitly (and correctly) told you that Pew's current estimates were released after the Yale paper?
You don't need to actually help me dunk on you, silly.
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The social security fraud figures buttress that estimate
This is just getting sad. Don't worry- I'm not bored of it though!
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What we have here, my little yellow sister, is 100% pure melt.
Correct! It's what your limp-wristed insults toward me come across as.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 8:04 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:I'm not sure about the Yale study (but I'm not cetain they adequately explained how they got the number they started with in 1990), but your Washington Examiner article is useless.
Yale study 16 to 30 million;;
39 million fake socials used between 12 and 16
The Examiner article says that there were 39 million "instances where names and Social Security numbers on W-2 tax forms did not match the corresponding Social Security records.”
There is no evidence to show how many of those mismatches relate to illegals, other than the Examiner article then stating that there is a "thriving black market” used by illegal immigrants to get Social Security numbers needed to get a job" -- as if that fact itself somehow proved a link to illegals.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 8:09 pm to texridder
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The Examiner article says that there were 39 million "instances where names and Social Security numbers on W-2 tax forms did not match the corresponding Social Security records.”
There is no evidence to show how many of those mismatches relate to illegals, other than the Examiner article then stating that there is a "thriving black market” used by illegal immigrants to get Social Security numbers needed to get a job" -- as if that fact itself somehow proved a link to illegals.
on top of that, the sample for that total was a 5-year one
this kid is hopelessly in over his head, even on this very simple empirical argument he's trying to make
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